Council get something right!! - Page 16

dillon · 14-03-2005, 21:00

Well having heard what Mr Beard said on Saturday, i think they want us to vote yes for the IDEA of a panopticon, not the actual nuts and bolts design.
Once they have a yes they can go back to the drawing board over and over until they find something the people want. Mr Beard hinted the idea of hills was not even on the drawing board any more...

park381 · 14-03-2005, 21:20

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Originally Posted by dillon

Well having heard what Mr Beard said on Saturday, i think they want us to vote yes for the IDEA of a panopticon, not the actual nuts and bolts design.
Once they have a yes they can go back to the drawing board over and over until they find something the people want. Mr Beard hinted the idea of hills was not even on the drawing board any more...

That is a very nice way of putting it, keeps Mr Beard in a job, as with a lot of other hangers on, the cost of development ...............goes higher and higher........who pays in the end

Graham Jones · 14-03-2005, 21:25

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Originally Posted by park381

That is a very nice way of putting it, keeps Mr Beard in a job, as with a lot of other hangers on, the cost of development ...............goes higher and higher........who pays in the end

I think that the position is this, a reserved yes vote. Reserved on the design and reserved on funding actually being available. And I think that will be the Cabinet position on 21 April if 'the rumours are to be believed'?! IE it gets an amber light not a green one.

Had to use that cos apparently the traffic light system is vogue!!!!???

garinda · 14-03-2005, 21:32

Let's just hope if it did get the go ahead, they don't use the same contractors they used for the paving on the Boulevard of Broken Dreams.

Cjay · 14-03-2005, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Graham Jones

I think that the position is this, a reserved yes vote. Reserved on the design and reserved on funding actually being available. And I think that will be the Cabinet position on 21 April if 'the rumours are to be believed'?! IE it gets an amber light not a green one.

Had to use that cos apparently the traffic light system is vogue!!!!???

Well amber is better than red! At least it shows the agreement to the principles of regeneration. I agree actually, and even though I now support the scheme I'm still reserving judgement on the actual design. From what I understand it can't go over budget because there simply isn't any more money available, although I suppose if it did go over they'd have to go back for more funding. It still couldn't come from the council because there isn't the money there to even pay for the picnic tables, is there?

park381 · 14-03-2005, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Graham Jones

I think that the position is this, a reserved yes vote. Reserved on the design and reserved on funding actually being available. And I think that will be the Cabinet position on 21 April if 'the rumours are to be believed'?! IE it gets an amber light not a green one.

Had to use that cos apparently the traffic light system is vogue!!!!???

Seems there is quite a lot of words in "vogue" the likes of "cascade" down to, and one relating to email, which for the life of me I can't think what it was, were all buss words used by my former boss, they had been " cascaded" down to him from above

All this is well and good, reserved on the design etc. but who pays in the end...............the punter (meaning us)

park381 · 14-03-2005, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Cjay

From what I understand it can't go over budget because there simply isn't any more money available,

HeHe have heard that so many times

So what happens then

Do they stop the project

Lets get this right, who pays in the end, no not the council, but you and I and everyone else.

Cjay · 14-03-2005, 21:54

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Originally Posted by park381

Seems there is quite a lot of words in "vogue" the likes of "cascade" down to, and one relating to email, which for the life of me I can't think what it was, were all buss words used by my former boss, they had been " cascaded" down to him from above

All this is well and good, reserved on the design etc. but who pays in the end...............the punter (meaning us)

We pay so much to the Government in taxes that it sounds quite nice for them to give a bit back to the town. So yeah, you can argue that we pay in the end but at least they're giving us some of it back. And all right it would be nice if we could have extra for hospitals or something like that but that's not our decision. This money is being given to the town for this purpose and this purpose alone. Turn it down if you want but ultimately we (the people of Accrington) lose out.

park381 · 14-03-2005, 22:08

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This money is being given to the town for this purpose and this purpose alone. Turn it down if you want but ultimately we (the people of Accrington) lose out.

What %age of this initial £50k will go in to accrington in the way of refurbishment, upgrade, or new.Will it go towards sorting out Broadway?

Cjay · 14-03-2005, 22:14

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What %age of this initial £50k will go in to accrington in the way of refurbishment, upgrade, or new.Will it go towards sorting out Broadway?

No it will go to the Panopticon. We were told that it's for this purpose and this purpose alone. Use it or lose it. What's Broadway got to do with this?

park381 · 14-03-2005, 22:56

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No it will go to the Panopticon. We were told that it's for this purpose and this purpose alone. Use it or lose it. What's Broadway got to do with this?

Your previous post

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The initial £50k is investment in the town. It will be local contractors that get the contract to do the work so money in local people's pockets.

You indicated in a previous post that the initial £50k is investment in the town. I just asked if it would be used to sort out Broadway, but could you mean that it would be local contractors that do the work, so the money would be in local contractors pockets, hence the town

WillowTheWhisp · 14-03-2005, 23:37

HBC will still have to fund maintainance and access which they simply cannot afford to do. How will vandalism be prevented? How will any artificial creation on top of the Coppice benefit the town? If it's a case of have a panopticon or don't have a panopticon I still believe we will be better off without one. It won't be an asset. It will be a liability.

Bazf · 15-03-2005, 03:22

From what I can work out if you didn't go to the sales meeting you can't complain about something that is going to make Accy the laughing stock of the north, who in there right mind is going to travel to Accrington to see some humps on the coppice, maybe colderstones on a day trip?
1 Is the designer from Accrington? no, so no money going to Accy there
2 What firms in Accy will get the contract? don't know it will be up to the council, what if a bit of nepotism comes in and a firm from Blackburn or Burnley get it will that money be going to Accy no.
3 Where will you build the coach park for the crowds? up Hapton, thats in Padiam so no money to Accy there.
Doesn't look to good for money coming in but hey if the crowds come they could always go to cafe in the market hall, as long as its not Wednesday.

park381 · 15-03-2005, 07:55

On the point of a local contractor being given the job, if HBC or LCC are involved then contractor selection will have to comply with standing orders, that is the project tendered, and the contractors on the tender list will be from the authorities rotational list of contractors for that type of work.

Cjay · 15-03-2005, 09:38

I don't see what the fuss is about maintenance. From what I can gather the thing is made out of the natural grass that's up there anyway. So what sort of maintenance will that need? Just a strimmer on it once or twice a year. Hyndburn Borough Council are supposed to maintain the site anyway but don't now. At least this way they are going to have to think about how they're going to do it.