Craig Ian Hall Independent - Page 6

wagstaffe · 01-05-2010, 23:57

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Originally Posted by cashman

Because to me anyone that backs up out with wiki, its rather obvious they aint really sure what on about, as it cannot be called a credible source, theres lots more things, but that alone says to me why it would be worse.

Many Credit Unions find it difficult to attract and retain sufficient volunteers with the necessary skills, e.g. financial, business, marketing, human resources, IT, and able to give adequate volunteer time to make the business grow.
Do not underestimate the time, commitment and dedication involved in initially identifying and bringing together a team who can work together, in getting trained, doing the necessary research and developing an effective and successful business plan.
After months and months of effort you will finally be able to submit your application and business plan to the FSA, to convince them that your team have the competence and resources to launch and run a successful Credit Union
Credit Action | Forming a Credit Union
Not one of the four men in charge of the banks who were in front of the select committee had a single banking qualification between them.
What I am getting at is we have helped the bad guys and do very little to encourage the good guys(credit unions).
I don't want to get into an argument over sources, I'm fully aware of the pitfalls.

Less · 02-05-2010, 00:08

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Originally Posted by wagstaffe

Good manners don't cost a thing, so if you could be a little bit nicer with your subjectivity or a least stick to some facts I would really appreciate it.
However if you wish to continue in the same tone, I will endeavour to set a good example and not stoop so low.

Set me an excellent example, stop talking about things you obviously know nothing about.

I do wish to continue in the same tone and shall continue in the same tone, you can't even leave this thread or talk to us about anything but you.

Please don't attempt to take the higher moral ground, it only means you will have further to fall when you finally come back to earth.

wagstaffe · 02-05-2010, 00:28

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Originally Posted by Less

I do understand, that is the whole point, I understand you have talked and continue to talk rubbish, please don't assume that you are a giant amongst smaller intellects, you are just adding to your own delusions.
You said you didn't understand, now you are saying you do ?

Use your vote like everyone else, here's a tip though, don't waste it on the Independent guy from Great Harwood.

Subjective

Perhaps all you deserved was, a mere footnote?

Again you missed the important point. The coverage by our local newspaper.,
A letter in the LET yesterday, talked about the duty of the media,
"The fundamental moral requirement of all communication is respect( I'd look that word up) for and service of the truth.
By accurately reporting events and correctly explaining issues, the media have a strict duty to foster justice and solidarity in human relationships at all levells of society."

Hang on That's new! So, your biggest 'policy' is Public Transport? Why didn't you mention it before? Or are your policies like buses, nothing at all for ages then one suddenly turns up.
I've spent an inordinate amout of time trying to decode your replies and reply back in a well mannered form.

It wouldn't be a bad idea if you knew anything about what you are making up.
Come on where's the substance, you're going all subjective again.

So you think you are the only one awake and we need warning? Your conceit increases in leaps and bounds!
I'm talking figuratively, it is quite alarming what is about to happen regardless of who wins the next Election.
I do not claim to have all the answers I do know things are bad and they are going to get worse for the foreseeable future, wish I was making this bit up.
Trying things differently, what is there to lose?

More of that doggie-doo, what a waste of space.

" A journey of a thousand miles, begins with the first step"

" A waste of good skin" I say

Less · 02-05-2010, 00:47

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Again you missed the important point. The coverage by our local newspaper.,

I didn't miss any important point, because you didn't make one, all you did was moan about being given a little foot note.

Now, you moan because I'm paying attention to you, just because I haven't got a good word to say about you does not mean I am missing any points.

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A letter in the LET yesterday, talked about the duty of the media,
"The fundamental moral requirement of all communication is respect( I'd look that word up) for and service of the truth.
By accurately reporting events and correctly explaining issues, the media have a strict duty to foster justice and solidarity in human relationships at all levells of society."

Yes please do look up the meaning of respect, then consider how you could earn rather than demand mine.

If, the papers where to report the full details of every arsewipe that puts themselves up for election we would have a shortage of paper for the more fundamental needs of life, toilet rolls.

Did you write the letter perhaps under another name? It certainly has the flavour of one of your personal gripes.

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Originally Posted by wagstaffe

" A journey of a thousand miles, begins with the first step"

" A waste of good skin" I say

What has this last bit of bollocks got to do with the price of anyones fish?

shillelagh · 02-05-2010, 16:12

when you've spoken to Bill Greenwood and Marilyn Procter .. who with a number of other volunteers set up Haslingden and Helmshore Credit Union. Then you may just find out a bit more regarding Credit unions. Marilyn has been the chair of the board for the credit union for the last 14 maybe 15 years .. cant exactly remember when she became the chair. She works for BT .. and has done since she left school. Bill is now retired .. but works for the ABCUL .. and is well known in credit union circles. As Haslingden and Helmshore Credit Union is now HHH Credit Union incorporating Hyndburn .. you wont have to go through all the training, the hassle of finding premises for the credit union, where to have collection points, etc etc and finding volunteers to help run the credit union. The volunteers at the credit union are mainly pensioners, people who have retired and have time on their hands to run the collection points. Others are mothers who's children have started school and are now finding they have time on their hands and want to do something some are unemployed .. hoping that volunteering with the credit union will look good on their CV and help them get into a job. Most of them have no experience with financial matters .. except for running their own home .. so the credit union gives them training .. enough to make sure they know what they are doing.

wagstaffe · 02-05-2010, 22:01

Wouldn't it be nice if we could get the banks to run like this. These people you mention, shillelagh, at the Helmshore Credit Union, are no doubt proud of their efforts to help others.
Civic pride is something we could tap into rather than exploit. Proof if ever that we have the talent out there to run our banks for us

cashman · 02-05-2010, 22:08

Do ya not seriously think thats "Pie in the Sky"? the banks are run on a profit basis, as is most business.

shillelagh · 02-05-2010, 23:11

I gie up!!!

wagstaffe · 02-05-2010, 23:24

We have just witnessed the biggest scam in history and no one is batting so much as an eyelid. The Bank blow out.
The current crop of politicians are talking of change, I'd prefer to have a crack at a real change. We wont know if it works till we have tried it.
What I do find even more troubling is the media coverage. No one can deny that this General Election will be the most important one in a long time. Yet no one in the media has had a good look round at some of the policy ideas of independents like me who do not have any agenda with big businesses.
Instead of some kind of analysis of new ideas we have coverage of a pensioner in Rochdale splashed all over the news. I don't mind some coverage of incidents like that but there are other issues out there that are not getting any kind of coverage.
yes, you can call me naive, but I thought by putting myself up we might get some kind of coverage and proper debate. I don't mind my views being seen as a bit strange by some, but they dont come close to the situation we have right now.

cashman · 02-05-2010, 23:42

Sorry pal you dont even come close to reality.

yer wasting yer money standing. i once had some weird n stupid ideas, at least i had n excuse it was the 60s.

wagstaffe · 03-05-2010, 14:33

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Originally Posted by cashman

Sorry pal you dont even come close to reality.

yer wasting yer money standing. i once had some weird n stupid ideas, at least i had n excuse it was the 60s.

Thanks,
I wasn't wasting my money, it was money well spent. I'll be able to sleep better at nights after the election, knowing I tried to do my bit.
The current situation is depressing and will get worse. Sometimes I wish I was making these things up. I didn't want to feel like a fool listening to the tripe that our current crop of politicians are telling us and not doing anything about it. I'm not one for turning a blind eye or crossing to the other side of the road when I see wrong.

cashman · 03-05-2010, 16:01

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Originally Posted by wagstaffe

Thanks,
I wasn't wasting my money, it was money well spent. I'll be able to sleep better at nights after the election, knowing I tried to do my bit.
The current situation is depressing and will get worse. Sometimes I wish I was making these things up. I didn't want to feel like a fool listening to the tripe that our current crop of politicians are telling us and not doing anything about it. I'm not one for turning a blind eye or crossing to the other side of the road when I see wrong.

nothing wrong with anyone who don't turn a blind eye to the garbage the current lot spout, if at least ya do/say summat CREDIBLE, which you to me do not.

Morecambe Ex Pat · 03-05-2010, 16:24

I started to read this thread and I was looking forward to a decent political debate.
wagstaffe appeared to put forward some valid points but he was set upon by the 'party liners' who cannot accept that 'the other lot' could come up with a decent idea.
We have seen it with the 3 televised debates where all they seem to do is attack each other's policies and lose the plot that the future of this great country of ours is at stake.

Whilst certain parts of the electorate continue to wave their party flags and choose to blindly ignore the arguments of the other parties, good ideas will never become part of the recovery process.

I have noticed a common theme throughout this thread where an idea is ridculed as being bad but no viable alternative is put forward. The inablity to debate a point, by certain members is disguised by resorting to personal insults.

That is not debating - that is just contra argument - you can look that up on wiki or in an encyclopedia, the description will be the same.

cashman · 03-05-2010, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat

I started to read this thread and I was looking forward to a decent political debate.
wagstaffe appeared to put forward some valid points but he was set upon by the 'party liners' who cannot accept that 'the other lot' could come up with a decent idea.
We have seen it with the 3 televised debates where all they seem to do is attack each other's policies and lose the plot that the future of this great country of ours is at stake.

Whilst certain parts of the electorate continue to wave their party flags and choose to blindly ignore the arguments of the other parties, good ideas will never become part of the recovery process.

I have noticed a common theme throughout this thread where an idea is ridculed as being bad but no viable alternative is put forward. The inablity to debate a point, by certain members is disguised by resorting to personal insults.

That is not debating - that is just contra argument - you can look that up on wiki or in an encyclopedia, the description will be the same.

thats how much you know,

Party Liners indeed.go dig sandcastles.

shillelagh · 03-05-2010, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat

I started to read this thread and I was looking forward to a decent political debate.
wagstaffe appeared to put forward some valid points but he was set upon by the 'party liners' who cannot accept that 'the other lot' could come up with a decent idea.
We have seen it with the 3 televised debates where all they seem to do is attack each other's policies and lose the plot that the future of this great country of ours is at stake.

Whilst certain parts of the electorate continue to wave their party flags and choose to blindly ignore the arguments of the other parties, good ideas will never become part of the recovery process.

I have noticed a common theme throughout this thread where an idea is ridculed as being bad but no viable alternative is put forward. The inablity to debate a point, by certain members is disguised by resorting to personal insults.

That is not debating - that is just contra argument - you can look that up on wiki or in an encyclopedia, the description will be the same.

technically i dont have the party flag anymore .. as they were nicked at 3.30am this morning ..

but i asked him a question .. picked something out of his policies .. something that ive been involved with at a volunteer level .. and so know something about .. and found out from my questioning he dont know anything about credit unions .. hes not even a member of his local credit union .. so as far as im concerned if you start saying about changing something when you dont know exactly how they are run .. would you vote for him?

anyway like i said before .. i give up ... well before it was i gie up .. i missed the v out ..