Craig Ian Hall Independent

[Morecambe Ex Pat]

I didn't say I would vote for him, only that he had some ideas which were worth debating.
The point about his lack of knowledge of Credit Unions is more than valid and goes to prove that not all of his ideas have been thought through.

and as for

go dig sandcastles

What has that got to do with anything?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat

I didn't say I would vote for him, only that he had some ideas which were worth debating.
The point about his lack of knowledge of Credit Unions is more than valid and goes to prove that not all of his ideas have been thought through.

and as for

What has that got to do with anything?

the same as yer daft comment, about set upon by party liners was stupid, so was that.

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Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat

I didn't say I would vote for him, only that he had some ideas which were worth debating.
The point about his lack of knowledge of Credit Unions is more than valid and goes to prove that not all of his ideas have been thought through.

and as for

What has that got to do with anything?

As difficult a task as it is, I know you will be capable of rising to the challenge, show us anything in this thread that proves he has thought anything through.

But what do I know?

I'm only a voter affiliated to no party trying to decide for whom I should vote.

Thank you, you have made that decision so much easier, best of luck with the rest of our communities voters.

Taken from my first post, so how does that make me a 'party liner'?

[wagstaffe]

I dont think some of you have grasped what I was saying. The idea that because I have not had any experience in a particular field makes my viewpoint worthless is a little foolish.
Increasing the scope of Credit Unions - When you compare the ethos of the banks and CU's, one voluntary based the other bonus based. Help and assistance compared to contempt and profit driven. I thought I was making a valid point. Our Government has spent a lot of our money helping the banks out with little thanks.
What has that got to do with my experience.
I've not been a teacher, police officer or in the armed forces - does that invalidate my views on the politicisation of the police and teachers or the calling for unilateral disarmament.
Our politicians would have to have been many things to have a valid viewpoint on tax, education, defense etc.

[cashman]

I dont think you have grasped either, one who chooses to stand n represent people if elected, MUST have a grasp of what he is talking about, cos if its obvious to us oiks, then its hardly a credible option.

[wagstaffe]

Originally Posted by cashman

I dont think you have grasped either, one who chooses to stand n represent people if elected, MUST have a grasp of what he is talking about, cos if its obvious to us oiks, then its hardly a credible option.

I can't argue with your assessment. It would be helpful if you could point out some of my errors rather than making a sweeping generalisation.
The only points that have been made is your assessment of the pension situation- it works for you, so I'm going to take it that there is nothing wrong with the pension schemes on that basis, from your point.
shillelagh, is quite adamant that anyone that does not work within a Credit Union, therefore having no experience in the field, cannot make a valid point.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cashman

Abolish Private Pensions is one of the most ludicrous ideas i ever heard, 100s of thousands of people have paid in em fer years, many now drawing them, n are quite happy to be doing so, if ya had said mend the loopholes that unscrupulous firms use to rob em, then ya may be on a winner, as is can only see ya alienating many potential voters.

well if ya take it their is nowt wrong wi private pensions, then reading is also a problem fer ya, would ya please point out were i said it?

[wagstaffe]

Originally Posted by cashman

well if ya take it their is nowt wrong wi private pensions, then reading is also a problem fer ya, would ya please point out were i said it?

I apologise, it must have been the slang term and skim reading combo that lead to my wrongly asserted assumption. This assumption thing is getting infectious on this thread.
I did actually think by putting my name in the hat that there would be a platform to air my views. Didn't realise just how powerful the media still is.
I sent a press release to the Lancs. Eve. Telegraph the other day.
Even if some of you dont like some of the ideas, that is for you to decide, not the newspapers.
The local newspapers have done you a disservice by not covering the issues at stake.
Here it is in full.

Press release « Wagstaffe's Blog

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Originally Posted by wagstaffe

Here it is in full.

Press release « Wagstaffe's Blog

Where besides your blog is it full? Also what is it full of?

Why didn't you just apologise to Cashman rather than make excuses for why you couldn't read his plain English?


In another 5 years you can put yourself forward again, as a, 'couldn't live with myself, if I didn't make the effort', candidate, what the Hey, at least you'll have time to work on real Policies, instead of the rubbish you've put forward.

(For the one that defended his rubbish, the following).


Nothing he said was thought through, we might all have wanted buses running on time, Mussolini managed it, (Oh, hang on that was trains), we might all want Banks to be non profitable, we all might even want the variety of other suggestions he put forward, but perhaps next time he could explain how such thing's can be done?

Then,









I'd Vote for him!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cashman

Abolish Private Pensions is one of the most ludicrous ideas i ever heard, 100s of thousands of people have paid in em fer years, many now drawing them, n are quite happy to be doing so, if ya had said mend the loopholes that unscrupulous firms use to rob em, then ya may be on a winner, as is can only see ya alienating many potential voters.

Originally Posted by wagstaffe

I apologise, it must have been the slang term and skim reading combo that lead to my wrongly asserted assumption

Right please point out whats "Slang" in that?

[wagstaffe]

I've apologised for making the assumption that you are happy with the private option. I would argue, now, with hindsight, that the privatising of pensions was a ludicrous idea. Where do you think the city got all the money from to buy up the toxic stuff, it wasn't theirs. One of the biggest expenditures in the next budget is the debt service payments.
Next year alone Treasury interest payments will be £44.4billion, more than the entire budget of the Ministry of Defence.
It might get to 2040 before we bring the debt level down to 2007/8 levels.
Greece is paying for the disproportionate influence the wealthy have had on the political process, like our own. They are waking up to the reality of severe cuts in public spending and job losses, like we will. I wonder how our own public sector are going to react when our Politicians have to bring down the axe. At least the Bankers will be Ok
The rest of the Plutocrats are looking on anxiously.
Interesting times ahead, I wonder how far down the pecking order environmental issues will be, now that none of the West has any money.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by wagstaffe

I've apologised for making the assumption that you are happy with the private option. I would argue, now, with hindsight, that the privatising of pensions was a ludicrous idea.

good that was my problem, aint personal, but i reckon anyone who stands fer election should at least have some idea of what they are talking about, wether people agree wi it or not, n thats were ya lost it completly wi me. cos that was yer opening statement.

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Originally Posted by cashman

good that was my problem, aint personal, but i reckon anyone who stands fer election should at least have some idea of what they are talking about, wether people agree wi it or not, n thats were ya lost it completly wi me. cos that was yer opening statement.

Can I ditto the above and also mention that a person putting themselves forward should have the courtesy, to answer questions, especially if the questioner took time out to put forward their questions with greater effort than the original poster put forward, Ha, (please don't make me laugh), their policies.

[wagstaffe]

Less,
I've had plenty of debate over the years but I've not come across many who can talk about nothing. You have accused me of not thinking things through, I can't please everyone but don't continue your guff without backing it up. I've looked through the thread to see if there is anything substantive in what you have said so far. There is nothing, so if you are going to suggest what I say is rubbish please explain then I and one or two oinks can understand what you are saying. If you don't understand something I will explain it to you.

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Originally Posted by wagstaffe

Less,
I've looked through the thread to see if there is anything substantive in what you have said so far. There is nothing, so if you are going to suggest what I say is rubbish please explain then I and one or two oinks can understand what you are saying.

You're quite correct I didn't put anything of a positive nature into the thread, why? Because I didn't get any satisfactory answers to my first post in response to your less than mediocre starter thread.

All I needed from you was clarification to show you knew a little about what you were talking about, I'm afraid there has been no evidence of such a glimmer from you all the way through.

If you don't understand something I will explain it to you.

I don't understand many things, but I don't think you have proved yourself qualified enough to assist even with the basics. Had you actually responded in a positive manner to not just my questions, but those of others in a useful fashion perhaps my attitude towards you would have been different.

Thank goodness though, it is all over, the Polls are shut, without waiting for the count we all know you aren't going to be an M.P.

I'll say my goodbye's now, after all, you no longer need accyweb you had your thread, but no brains to take advantage of the rest of the site, so we'll probably not hear much after tonight from you for possibly another 5 years, I do hope you get the chance during that time to come to conclusions on your 'policies'.