Dale Cregan

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

That would ruin the tiling though.

Yeah, but re-tiling will be a one off cost & a fraction of the price. Makes economic sense in my book during these times of austerity & spending cuts.

[Less]

Maybe I'm on my own?
Perhaps rather than being cruel to murderers and low life we should show them compassion and give them the chance to mend their ways, prove to us they are worthy members of society, reward them for their short comings by giving them the better things in life.
Perhaps we are being too harsh?
If I had a daughter or son killed for example, I'm sure I would take a step back and consider it from his point of view?

O.K. I lie, I'm selfish, I would consider it from my point of view.

That is, if the sick bastard caught bang to rights continues to deny he did anything wrong, the rope is too good for him.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Unlikely to change no doubt, but saying nowt will "Never" change anything.

Well the death penalty still exist in our prison, it appears Mr. Cregan is on the isolation wing of the prison as there's already been a few death threats made

[Studio25]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well the death penalty still exist in our prison, it appears Mr. Cregan is on the isolation wing of the prison as there's already been a few death threats made

Ah but is that from incarcerated rivals, or because he killed two police officers, or because he killed two women?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Studio25

Ah but is that from incarcerated rivals, or because he killed two police officers, or because he killed two women?

Maybe because he though he was the big I AM, and they're reminding him that he isn't any more

[g jones]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

As usual, total silence from members of mainstream political parties on this thread.

Just an observation.

The £41k is the top end. It costs around a third for other prisoners.

The £5m for Dale Cregan trial, an incredible 120 police officers was due to the criminal families in attendamce and on trial. Other offenders were also convicted to very long sentences. Some of the worst crime families in Britain. Part of the trial was the rival gangland killing of the Shorts so you had some of fhe worst rival crime families heading up the M61 together plus Cregan and the other criminals in prison vans.

My own view is that life in jail is a tougher sentence than escaping via death row.

[GEaston]

We just have the wrong kinds of jails. What we need for people like this is the Supermax variant that USA has. Richard Reed (the british Shoe Bomber who filed to light his shoe) was sent there, not because he's an amazing escape artist so needed the extra security, but as a form of societal revenge.

In America they designed a special solitary confinement prison keeping people in total segregation from all humanity forever. Entombed alive is what it is. 23 hrs of solitude followed by 1 hr of solitude in a larger room. Never ever see another human, never speak to one, never see daylight..... the list goes on. Now that's what you call putting the boot in (excuse the pun)

BBC News - Just how bad are American 'supermax' prisons?

Ian Brady would not be making arguments to go to prison if this was where he was headed. I for one would love to see him there, and would pay for his flight.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by g jones

Just an observation.

The £41k is the top end. It costs around a third for other prisoners.

The £5m for Dale Cregan trial, an incredible 120 police officers was due to the criminal families in attendamce and on trial. Other offenders were also convicted to very long sentences. Some of the worst crime families in Britain. Part of the trial was the rival gangland killing of the Shorts so you had some of fhe worst rival crime families heading up the M61 together plus Cregan and the other criminals in prison vans.

My own view is that life in jail is a tougher sentence than escaping via death row.

I wouldn't dispute that, but as you may have noticed from the general tenor of this thread, ordinary folk are not happy with the criminal justice system. Cregan may have received a whole life tarriff but he's the exception rather than the rule. Coldblooded murders should warrant a whole life sentence automatically and should be kept in much more spartan conditions. You know as well as I do that this is the view of ordinary people, outside of a little group of chattering class liberals. Unfortunately, your party and the Tories do not reflect our views on the subject.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by g jones

Just an observation.

The £41k is the top end. It costs around a third for other prisoners.

The £5m for Dale Cregan trial, an incredible 120 police officers was due to the criminal families in attendamce and on trial. Other offenders were also convicted to very long sentences. Some of the worst crime families in Britain. Part of the trial was the rival gangland killing of the Shorts so you had some of fhe worst rival crime families heading up the M61 together plus Cregan and the other criminals in prison vans.

My own view is that life in jail is a tougher sentence than escaping via death row.

In different times that might be the case Graham, but when you weigh up the cost of keeping scum like this in prison for life, in Cregan's case could be over 50 years, the cost to the taxpayer is extortionate. So once again we find our MP would not listen to his constituents, a big majority of people would support the return of the death penalty for these violent criminals who commit these atrocities, yet you would not support that, may be if it became Labour Party policy you would or would have too