David Davis wins by-election

[cmonstanley]

how can you claim victory when he had 5000 votes less than at the general election when for the rest of the country polls are saying tories are having a larger share of the vote.this was nothing about protecting civil liberties this was cheap political point scoring in the biggest tory stronghold in england.tories civil liberties dont go together.they used the police as a political football against the miners ,tried to curb free speach by passing the protest bill,tried to get all working rights abolished and opposed the national mininuim wage.made cuts to schools and education budgets stopped any investment in any local services till they were reaching breaking point.they ripped off the british taxpayer by selling off the infrastructure of britain to their mates ie british gas ,british telecom ,british rail,the british waterboard.if they never sold these companies off we wouldnt be in the mess we are now.the gas ,water,electric could keep the price of fuel down not reeking any profit for their chosen few of shareholders....civil liberties you are a joke and always will be.you are the scum of the earth you would rather everybody starve than affect your chosen few profits..you would rather the working class work 90 hours a week and make you more money you have no social concience.

[garinda]

More pointless, and less entertaining, than Big Brother, and at least the British public don't have to foot the bill for that.

Still, if some people are elated at such a hollow 'victory', more fool them.

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by garinda

More pointless, and less entertaining, than Big Brother, and at least the British public don't have to foot the bill for that.

Still, if some people are elated at such a hollow 'victory', more fool them.

That dosn't say much for the win if BB is better G. The celebrations will be big for a couple of bods.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

how can you claim victory when he had 5000 votes less than at the general election when for the rest of the country polls are saying tories are having a larger share of the vote.this was nothing about protecting civil liberties this was cheap political point scoring in the biggest tory stronghold in england.tories civil liberties dont go together.they used the police as a political football against the miners ,tried to curb free speach by passing the protest bill,tried to get all working rights abolished and opposed the national mininuim wage.made cuts to schools and education budgets stopped any investment in any local services till they were reaching breaking point.they ripped off the british taxpayer by selling off the infrastructure of britain to their mates ie british gas ,british telecom ,british rail,the british waterboard.if they never sold these companies off we wouldnt be in the mess we are now.the gas ,water,electric could keep the price of fuel down not reeking any profit for their chosen few of shareholders....civil liberties you are a joke and always will be.you are the scum of the earth you would rather everybody starve than affect your chosen few profits..you would rather the working class work 90 hours a week and make you more money you have no social concience.

Turnout was half that of a general election yet he only got 5000 less votes, that is a really good result. He didn't run on a party platform with a wide range of issues, he didn't run on his own record, he ran on the issues of freedom which gained cross party support. His votes went from 44% to 71% as a result, a massive increase. It isn't the biggest tory stronghold in Britain at all. If Labour and Lib Dem voters had voted for another candidate he would have lost his seat.

Abolished workers rights? Rubbish. Trade Union members were allowed to go back to work rather than being forced to strike by the diktat of trade union bosses.

If we hadn't sold the companies to share holders, which anybody could become, our economy would have collapsed like it was already on the verge of. Fuel would not have been cheaper, the companies would have massive waste to drain all our taxes. We'd be paying the same for fuel but have to pay more tax too. Worst of both worlds. Socialism doesn't work.

I'm scum of the earth?
I would rather everybody starve?
I would rather the working class work 90 hours a week?
I have no social conscience?

You clearly know nothing about me, or why I am getting involved in politics.

[jaysay]

Did he win then

[Wynonie Harris]

When will you come out of your little dream world, Cyfr? Venture out of the lofty confines of the Hull University Conservative Association and talk to ordinary people on the streets, on buses, in shops, in pubs. Most people really could not care less about suspected terrorists having to spend an extra 14 days in prison. They are far more concerned about the worrying rise in the cost of living and the frightening escalation of violent crime in this country. Face it - this whole farce was A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Face it - this whole farce was A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!!

Or it was a brave and noble stand, by a fearless fighter for civil liberties.

Ok, you are right.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

When will you come out of your little dream world, Cyfr? Venture out of the lofty confines of the Hull University Conservative Association and talk to ordinary people on the streets, on buses, in shops, in pubs. Most people really could not care less about suspected terrorists having to spend an extra 14 days in prison. They are far more concerned about the worrying rise in the cost of living and the frightening escalation of violent crime in this country. Face it - this whole farce was A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!!

I have spent every day of the last month talking to ordinary people about the erosion of liberty and people do care, its no dream world, its the real world. If people didn't care turnout would be low, it was unexpectedly high. It was not a waste of time, it highlighted the issues brilliantly.

Would you not care less if it was you or your family were locked up for 42 days? Not knowing why you were there, being presumed guilty by the national media, losing your job? Because I would certainly care.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by andrewb

He didn't run on a party platform with a wide range of issues,

Do you think he would have been re-elected if he had stood as an independent on the issue, against a conservative ? No he wouldn't, many people vote for a political party regardless of policy.

I would have respected him more if he had stood as an independent.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Do you think he would have been re-elected if he had stood as an independent on the issue, against a conservative ? No he wouldn't, many people vote for a political party regardless of policy.

I would have respected him more if he had stood as an independent.

He is a conservative not an independent, but yes many Labour and Lib dems voted for him.

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by andrewb

He is a conservative not an independent, but yes many Labour and Lib dems voted for him.

Oh so while they were voting people were stating which way they voted and what was their normal practice??? Sounds like someone has been at the fairy dust to me. Too many assumptions and if the Lib Lab voters did go that way then it dosnt say much for him. Or maybe it is a case of trying to make it look like he can swing the votes to your political god in parli!!!!!! If a true conservative then why go through with it in the first place??? If it was to prove a point wether personal or political then it reeks of an ego the size of Westminster!!!!!

[andrewb]

As I said I've spent the last few weeks talking to people about it. I had lots of people say they were lib dems/labour, always have been, but on this issue they would vote for David Davis. They made it clear that they wouldn't be voting for him in a general election.

[katex]

Bit of a Hobson's choice though I suspect Andrew ... none of the other candidates seemed a decent proposition.

Has he been offered a job yet in the Shadow cabinet do you know or relegated to the back benches ?

I couldn't agree with what he did either .. just childish and churlish. Would probably have been one of those kids who when refused a toy would run away around the block to cause hurt to the parents, and then creep in through the back door. Only difference is he didn't exactly creep back in quietly .. got himself a good slice of publicity.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by katex

Bit of a Hobson's choice though I suspect Andrew ... none of the other candidates seemed a decent proposition.

Has he been offered a job yet in the Shadow cabinet do you know or relegated to the back benches ?

I couldn't agree with what he did either .. just childish and churlish. Would probably have been one of those kids who when refused a toy would run away around the block to cause hurt to the parents, and then creep in through the back door. Only difference is he didn't exactly creep back in quietly .. got himself a good slice of publicity.

I have to say that I was amiss when he stated what and why he was doing it, as I knew that Brown wouldn't risk another humiliation, and the Liberals agreed with him anyway, to me it was just a pointless exercise.

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by andrewb

As I said I've spent the last few weeks talking to people about it. I had lots of people say they were lib dems/labour, always have been, but on this issue they would vote for David Davis. They made it clear that they wouldn't be voting for him in a general election.

What people say they will do can be different from what they do and unless someone was peeking over their shoulder the vote is still secret in this country (those freedoms he ran for allow that) . The lib n lab voters could have stayed at home but more conservative and floating voters could have been out. To assume through a conversation that someone is going to vote for one candidate is blinkered and naive.