David Davis wins by-election

[andrewb]

Higher than expected turnout at 35%, not bad to say Labour refused to stand against him.

Before Davis stood down 69% of people backed 42 days, now just 36% back it. Not everyone's mind is changed, but an awful lot have been.

Of course it is not just about 42 days. Its about the ever eroding liberty and intrusion of privacy by the state, that threatens our fundamental British freedoms. From councils spying on children, to expensive databases about us that make nobody more secure.

Labour, Liberal Democrat, Conservative, people from all parties came together to support this cause.

A message has been sent to Gordon Brown; it has to stop.

[blazey]

Victorious yet again

[SPUGGIE J]

Yo you 2 when are you getting wed? Will Cammy be best man and the wedding at Tory HQ? Dosnt matter what happens over the 42 days just lets have a nice big ex army base we can lock up scum forget they are there and throw the key away. Personally I would shoot em and save us tax payers a fortune. If the families want to sue then tough they shouldnt have raised these people!!

[Wynonie Harris]

An outstanding example of self-indulgent posturing. It may have escaped your notice in your ivory towers, but the vast majority of British people are far more concerned about their rising food, gas, electric, petrol bills and job security, rather than whether or not suspected terrorists are detained for an extra 14 days. If David Davis is so "principled" perhaps he would care to pick up the bill for this totally unnecessary bye-election (estimated at somewhere between £80,000-£200,000) rather than leaving the already hard-pressed taxpayer to cough up for it.

[Gayle]

This was a joke from day one. I'm just pleased to see that so many voters declined from taking part in the fiasco!

[andrewb]

Cost of Government bribe to UDP: £200,000,000
Cost of ID cards that won't make us safer: £20,000,000,000
Cost of keeping innocent people on the DNA database: £1,000,000 a year

Rachel North a 7/7 survivor said liberty is just as important as life and we should not be letting the terrorists win by taking our own freedoms.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Cost of Government bribe to UDP: £200,000,000
Cost of ID cards that won't make us safer: £20,000,000,000
Cost of keeping innocent people on the DNA database: £1,000,000 a year

And has any of that changed since Davis's little exercise in self-indulgent ego-tripping? Of course not! A totally pointless gesture!

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Cost of Government bribe to UDP: £200,000,000

Get a grip where is the proof???

Cost of ID cards that won't make us safer: £20,000,000,000

Does a passport make us any safer when they are easy to forge??

Cost of keeping innocent people on the DNA database: £1,000,000 a year

At least they can be eliminated from the suspicion of crime faster than those innocent sods on it without disruption to their lives!

Rachel North a 7/7 survivor said liberty is just as important as life and we should not be letting the terrorists win by taking our own freedoms.

Freedom is what you make it. Its not just the terrorists that are causing paranoia is it.

Take off the blinkers and look all around the world is not the fairy land you want it to be and never will be!!!

[BERNADETTE]

Will somebody explain to me why did he stand down just to put himself forward again??? I am not thick and know he was against the forty two days thing but why stand as a representative again??

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Will somebody explain to me why did he stand down just to put himself forward again??? I am not thick and know he was against the forty two days thing but why stand as a representative again??

Easy answer, a big ego

[andrewb]

To bring our decline of civil liberties to the agenda. Now there is a mandate for freedom.

You might disagree with the election, but do you not agree with the cause?

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Now there is a mandate for freedom.

One thing I will say, Cyfr, you seem to have a bright future ahead of you as a politician...you've got the meaningless twaddle they come out with off to a T!

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by andrewb

To bring our decline of civil liberties to the agenda. Now there is a mandate for freedom.

You might disagree with the election, but do you not agree with the cause?

Why couldn't it be done at the next general election ? If the government put 42 days in the next government can throw it out. The voters still have a say and the money could have gone to better causes. I presume DD has receipts for his expenses during canvassing

[BERNADETTE]

I and many others on here have more important things to worry about, lets be honest it is not going to affect us adversely if a suspected terrorist is held for longer!!! What the people elected to represent us should be doing is trying to stem the ever increasing cost of basic every day things before we find it impossible to live to any sort of decent standard. They should not be forcing by-elections that cost money that just isn't there!!! If he was so dissillusioned why did he not just quit politics altogether???

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Why couldn't it be done at the next general election ? If the government put 42 days in the next government can throw it out. The voters still have a say and the money could have gone to better causes. I presume DD has receipts for his expenses during canvassing

The general election will be about things more important in the short term to people, some of which Wynonie has mentioned. I think the reason he resigned is because he was appalled at the way the Government won the vote over 42 days, it broke the camels back. They bribed Labour MP's, and opposition MP's to get the vote through. A letter from the Labour Chief Whip to the labour chairman of the home affairs select committe thanked him for his help and said "I trust that it will be appropriately rewarded!"

A by election allowed the debate to be about a single issue. One that I feel particularly strongly about, hence why I got involved.