Decision day in Ireland

jaysay · 02-10-2009, 09:22

'President' Blair waits on voters of Ireland - Times Online
After voting against the European Charter in a referendum 15 month ago, Ireland are again going to the poles today (even though promised we didn't even get one vote) with a likely yes vote being achieved this time. Well it will fulfill the dreams of one man if it does happen

Jim Procter · 02-10-2009, 10:46

I must be naive but Mr Blair always said that he was in politics to look after the common man.Number 1 more like it

Margaret Pilkington · 02-10-2009, 10:50

If a 'No' vote is the result, the Irish will just be sent away again to re-consider, and come back when they can agree on the constitution........is that real democracy?
I may be naive, but I don't think it is.

Wynonie Harris · 02-10-2009, 12:21

Just when you thought you'd got rid of him as leader of your country, you've got him as...leader of your new country!

jaysay · 02-10-2009, 15:39

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Just when you thought you'd got rid of him as leader of your country, you've got him as...leader of your new country!

Suppose it could be worse it could be Gordon Brown

Benipete · 02-10-2009, 16:46

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Suppose it could be worse it could be Gordon Brown

He's next up - No need for a vote.

steeljack · 02-10-2009, 17:20

I'm just curious what the Irish have been offered to change their original No vote , anyone any idea .
The idea of Blair as President of Europe is laughable , though I suppose it will give him immunity from prosecution should a war crimes tribunal ever indict him .

Wynonie Harris · 02-10-2009, 21:17

They won't be forced to legalise abortion, they've been given assurances that they won't lose control over taxation, and they won't have their neutrality threatened. Plus, their economy has collapsed since the last vote, so they're feeling a bit twitchy.

Unfortunately, we're not getting a vote here because the incompetent who currently occupies No 10 Downing Street has bottled out of the promise made by his vainglorious successor.

The question is, if there is the expected yes vote, will the boy David keep his promise to give us a vote if he gets in...or will he bottle out, too?

jaysay · 03-10-2009, 09:07

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They won't be forced to legalise abortion, they've been given assurances that they won't lose control over taxation, and they won't have their neutrality threatened. Plus, their economy has collapsed since the last vote, so they're feeling a bit twitchy.

Unfortunately, we're not getting a vote here because the incompetent who currently occupies No 10 Downing Street has bottled out of the promise made by his vainglorious successor.

The question is, if there is the expected yes vote, will the boy David keep his promise to give us a vote if he gets in...or will he bottle out, too?

Two points here Wynonie, first it wasn't Tony Blair who made the promise it was in the Labour manifesto for the 2005 General Election, Secondly if the Irish vote yes the treaty will be ratified long before our GE so one would think it as a futile exercise and unnecessary expense for something that has no purpose. The bottom line is where as the Irish have been asked twice to ratify this treaty, we were not afford the chance to vote even once, because it would no doubt have been a no vote and therefore scuppering Blair's dream of becoming El Supremo of Europe

Wynonie Harris · 03-10-2009, 20:30

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Two points here Wynonie, first it wasn't Tony Blair who made the promise it was in the Labour manifesto for the 2005 General Election, Secondly if the Irish vote yes the treaty will be ratified long before our GE so one would think it as a futile exercise and unnecessary expense for something that has no purpose.

I take your first point, Jaysay, but, as for your second, why would it have no purpose? Even if the new EU Constitution has been ratified, I still think we should have a referendum. And if the British people vote against the treaty, then I think we should renounce it. And if that's illegal under EU law, I really couldn't care less. Just for once in modern times I'd like to see a British government stand up and say "sod it, we're doing what our people want and hang the consequences!"

Mancie · 03-10-2009, 22:54

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Two points here Wynonie, first it wasn't Tony Blair who made the promise it was in the Labour manifesto for the 2005 General Election, Secondly if the Irish vote yes the treaty will be ratified long before our GE so one would think it as a futile exercise and unnecessary expense for something that has no purpose.

... great answer Jaysay...Cameron is not even Prime Minister but you're already making excuses for him...all of a sudden it would be futile and unnecessary for Britain to hold a vote on the EU Constitution...pure class!

Wynonie Harris · 04-10-2009, 08:53

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... great answer Jaysay...Cameron is not even Prime Minister but you're already making excuses for him...all of a sudden it would be futile and unnecessary for Britain to hold a vote on the EU Constitution...pure class!

Would agree, Mancie, and Cameron is already ducking and diving, evading the question on whether or not he'd give us a referendum if the EU Constitution is ratified.

However, your heroes are no better. It's particularly sickening to see the likes of Brown and Miliband crowing with delight about the Irish result. If they think it's so wonderful that the Irish have been given a chance to make their wishes known (for the second time), why don't they make good their broken promise and give us a referendum too?

Mancie · 06-10-2009, 07:41

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Would agree, Mancie, and Cameron is already ducking and diving, evading the question on whether or not he'd give us a referendum if the EU Constitution is ratified.

However, your heroes are no better. It's particularly sickening to see the likes of Brown and Miliband crowing with delight about the Irish result. If they think it's so wonderful that the Irish have been given a chance to make their wishes known (for the second time), why don't they make good their broken promise and give us a referendum too?

labour ain't my heroes..the thing is the Tories have been blabbing on about how they hate the EU and how the British public should have a vote on the constitution..in less than a year they have the chance to do that .. but it's not going to happen..we should stay in our get out..not end up being the sad bastard at the party that sits there sulking.

Wynonie Harris · 06-10-2009, 10:33

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we should stay in our get out..not end up being the sad bastard at the party that sits there sulking.

Quite agree, so the logical step would be to have a referendum on our membership of the EU. However, neither the Labour or the Tory parties will do that, because both of them only believe in democracy when it's going their way.

Mancie · 10-10-2009, 05:14

the Chech Government have made a claus that says any member of the EU can opt out from the new constituition.. now the Tories have the chance to make it known they will opt out of something they don't believe in.. will they do it?