Degree Level for nursing - Page 3

MargaretR · 13-11-2009, 12:27

[quote=Margaret Pilkington;762585]There were State Enrolled Nurses as well Margaret......they were phased out a few years ago.....mainly by retirement and a lot of the former SEN's trained up to become SRN's[quote]

MargaretP is right again

- SENs originated in 1943 as this doc shows-
Family history | Nurses
In 1943, the Nurses Act established the Roll of Assistant Nurses, with a requirement of two years training

cashman · 13-11-2009, 12:31

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Originally Posted by jaysay

There were usually two Auxiliary nurses on duty during the day that did the jobs they have always done making beds, bed pans, making brews, giving meals out at, the other 5 or 6 nurses did the medical tasks, I certainly didn't have any problems what so ever, except for one day when there was a miner glitch with medication

thats cos miners are covered in coal dust,= cross contamination.

Margaret Pilkington · 13-11-2009, 12:43

I am sure that I was told that some Enrolled Nurses had never sat an exam, or done formal training, and that they had become Enrlled Nurses because they had been auxilliaries for such a long time.

As a student I worked with one of these E.N.'s and she was a tartar...by that I mean that everything had to be done just so........with the patients comfort being paramount.
Lots of my own colleagues didn't like her, but I thought that her ways were right....and that patients comfort was important.

jaysay · 13-11-2009, 16:12

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Originally Posted by cashman

thats cos miners are covered in coal dust,= cross contamination.

couldn't resist could ya cashy

accyman · 18-11-2009, 00:51

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Originally Posted by jaysay

couldn't resist could ya cashy

i believe nurses will now be required to take a degree in origami so they can re arrange beds to accomodate more patients

jaysay · 18-11-2009, 10:06

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Originally Posted by accyman

i believe nurses will now be required to take a degree in origami so they can re arrange beds to accommodate more patients

Or Sorcery to create more by magic accyman

Neil · 18-11-2009, 13:08

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Originally Posted by lettie

Only by earning a senior role can you have any hope of making a difference on your ward

I don't agree with that.

Everyone can make a difference by doing their job to the best of their ability.

jaysay · 18-11-2009, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Neil

I don't agree with that.

Everyone can make a difference by doing their job to the best of their ability.

having served my time on quite a few wards Neil I have to agree, a hospital ward is run by a team, from Consultants, Sister, SHO, HO, down to the cleaners and ward aide, they all pull together, to make a well run unit, well that's how it used to be until the men in suits came along, now you have to wonder what matters most the patient or targets

Margaret Pilkington · 18-11-2009, 18:23

While I agree that everyone has a part to play, I believe that a good leader of the team is essential for success....and a leader who has their finger on the pulse of everyday happenings is without doubt one of the major factors in whether the ward is actively managed.

jaysay · 19-11-2009, 09:40

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

While I agree that everyone has a part to play, I believe that a good leader of the team is essential for success....and a leader who has their finger on the pulse of everyday happenings is without doubt one of the major factors in whether the ward is actively managed.

I agree Margaret, a great example of that was the old E3 at Queens Park, the Sister on that ward was the old type sister didn't stand no messing and her word was gospel, sadly they are few and far between now, oh and she didn't have a degree, just years of experience and nursing nous

Margaret Pilkington · 20-11-2009, 18:11

would that have been Sister Clark??
She used to terrify me when I was a student, but she gave me a wonderful report....and she knew exactly what she was talking about because she frequently rolled her sleeves up and did the bed and the baths with junior nurses like me....she was a really good example and a brilliant teacher.

Neil · 20-11-2009, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

would that have been Sister Clark??
She used to terrify me when I was a student, but she gave me a wonderful report....and she knew exactly what she was talking about because she frequently rolled her sleeves up and did the bed and the baths with junior nurses like me....she was a really good example and a brilliant teacher.

So what happened to the "Sister Clark's"?

Margaret Pilkington · 20-11-2009, 19:01

They, like me. retired.
She was from the 'old' school of nursing.(I am talking about 1973/74...a long time ago now)

Lolly · 22-11-2009, 20:40

Ok. I am currently a Carer in a sheltered housing scheme. The district nurses that come are fantastic, and do all the jobs that is needed. My Grandfather is currently in Royal Blackburn and the nursing staff have been brilliant, cannot praise them highly enough.

I start my Nursing degree next year, with my background as a carer I will have no problem, and will enjoy all the tasks involved (yes that includes toileting, pre-op, washing and making beds)

Let me tell you about a current nursing degree. It takes 3 years. You only have 2 exams throughout the three years. It is exactly 50/50 of placement and time spent in university, and yes Gayle you are correct you can't have any degree, you need a degree in nursing to become a nurse.

It angers me that it has been said that people can't become nurses as they haven't got the qualifications to do a degree....bloody well get them then, if you really want to be a nurse. I have had to take 4 different courses, travelling to Edge Hill University in Ormskirk 3 times a week for 4 months - this takes 2 buses and 2 trains and costs about £15 a time. That is how committed I am to becoming a nurse. I am a single parent and pay for childcare for whilst im at uni.

So, when i'm qualified, if nobody wants to be treated by me because i'm a nurse so obviously all i want to do is the technical/medical stuff and stand a my nurses station all day.....then dont come onto a ward that im working on!!! Because I can tell you this now that is not how i will be!

Margaret Pilkington · 22-11-2009, 22:39

Lolly, it is good to hear that you are so determined to be a nurse, and that you know the value being a good care giver.
I have had experience of the other kind of nurses, and I am sure that in your career you will come up against those who do only want to do the technical stuff...and believe me, they will irritate the proverbial out of you.

There is nothing so rewarding as knowing that you have given comfort to someone who has been in a dark place, that you have made a difference,not just to them but to their relatives as well.
Good luck to you Lolly...and keep up the good work.