Detention without charge poll - Page 2

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:09

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

And if the poll is supposed to back up DD's stance then it's flawed anyway. It's only dealing with one subject when he 'allegedly' stood on many subjects

Yes, he also wants to rename the Palace of Westminster as Winnie Mandela House.

pipinfort · 14-07-2008, 20:10

Well i voted YES (just to tip the balance)

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:12

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Originally Posted by jambutty

I voted “Opposed” because I think that it is wrong to detain someone for more than 24 hours without being charged. In fact I think that it is wrong to detain someone without arresting them for a specific crime.

But that is a typical loaded question andrewb and you could have put “Given half of those detained to 28 days were guilty, do you support or oppose increasing detention without charge to 42 days?”

The fact that half of those detained were innocent or guilty should have no bearing on the issue. But you have phrased the question to push people towards the oppose camp. But then that is what politicians and prospective politicians do when they favour a particular result and look to the electorate to go along with that view.

Indeed I did it like that on purpose, to see what the reaction is once people understand that many are innocent. As many automatically see the word terrorist suspect and want to bang them up for life, but thats not what this legislation is about as I appreciate you understand Jambutty.

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Well I refuse to vote - the whole bye election was a fiasco and so is this.

This question is nothing to do with the by-election, feel free to vote.

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:14

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

And if the poll is supposed to back up DD's stance then it's flawed anyway. It's only dealing with one subject when he 'allegedly' stood on many subjects

Let's just be glad Myra Hindley is dead and burned, otherwise Dickie Davis, the fighter for people's freedom, would be probably be trying to get her released.

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:15

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Originally Posted by garinda

Let's just be glad Myra Hindley is dead and burned, otherwise Dickie Davis, the fighter of people's freedom, would be probably be trying to get her released.

How stupid.

Wynonie Harris · 14-07-2008, 20:15

Tend to agree with Jammybutty. The question has not been impartially presented and confirms my suspicion that Cyfr tries to get people to agree with him by asking loaded questions - he's obviously got a great career in politics ahead of him!

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Tend to agree with Jammybutty. The question has not been impartially presented and confirms my suspicion that Cyfr tries to get people to agree with him by asking loaded questions - he's obviously got a great career in politics ahead of him!

I agree.

Very poorly worded, and weighted.

The poll I set up was at least fair.

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Tend to agree with Jammybutty. The question has not been impartially presented and confirms my suspicion that Cyfr tries to get people to agree with him by asking loaded questions - he's obviously got a great career in politics ahead of him!

I have already agreed that without knowing the argument people see 'terrorist' and think 'lock them up longer'. As we have seen in national polls, once people hear the argument a lot are swayed.

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

- he's obviously got a great career in politics ahead of him!

With his talent for selling political ideas to us plebs, he could go all the way to the top

....that's if Peter Britcliffe's retired by then.

Benipete · 14-07-2008, 20:19

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Originally Posted by garinda

Please vote to support the increase, in the hope that someone will eventually get the message.

Even though, like Dickie Davis's by-election, it's all fairly pointless now, as the government won the vote to increase the time of suspected terrorists could be held without charge from 28 to 42 days.

What has Dickie Davis and The World of Sport got to do with this

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:20

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garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Benipete

What has Dickie Davis and The World of Sport got to do with this

To me David Davis is a bit of a Dickie.

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:21

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Originally Posted by garinda

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No, I don't want to lock innocent people up and destroy their lives for no increased safety.

Wynonie Harris · 14-07-2008, 20:21

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Originally Posted by andrewb

I have already agreed that without knowing the argument people see 'terrorist' and think 'lock them up longer'.

You complain when I call you patronising, but you prove yourself worthy of that word time and time again. People are not as stupid as you think - they do actually undrstand that a "terrorist suspect" is just that, without any prompting from you.