Detention without charge poll - Page 9

cashman · 15-07-2008, 12:23

the point was also made earlier, that if the powers were to be abused in that way a public backlash would soon follow. i am aware they are selling extracts from the register,which is annoying to say the least, but does not concern me nowhere near as much as a safer society for me kids n grandchild to grow up in.

jambutty · 15-07-2008, 15:17

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the point was also made earlier, that if the powers were to be abused in that way a public backlash would soon follow. i am aware they are selling extracts from the register,which is annoying to say the least, but does not concern me nowhere near as much as a safer society for me kids n grandchild to grow up in.

That’s the problem, there would only be talk and no real backlash.

In the meantime we slither into a Police State.

Loz · 15-07-2008, 15:45

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So it’s OK to destroy a person’s life on a suspicion?

You would have a different view if it happened to you.

I'm not saying its right but like i said you could rebuild your life.
It wouldn't be destroyed forever.
All i am saying is that the consequences are a lot more dire if someone was executed wrongly.
That would destroy lives.

cashman · 15-07-2008, 16:12

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That’s the problem, there would only be talk and no real backlash.

In the meantime we slither into a Police State.

thats your assumption, aint mine, whilst i have not much faith in any of the parties, i think even M.P.s would get off the fence with that one.

jaysay · 15-07-2008, 16:26

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The trouble is AM that you can be arrested for spitting in the street and be detained under he terrorism act if the powers that be see fit

Come on cashy thee and me have been on his planet long enough to know that the law can fit you up with anything if it fits their purpose, spitting was just a throw away example

Gayle · 15-07-2008, 17:09

I would like to see information about these innocent people that are being detained. Surely if there is a statistic there should be a case study to go along side it?

andrewb · 15-07-2008, 18:35

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I would like to see information about these innocent people that are being detained. Surely if there is a statistic there should be a case study to go along side it?

What do you want to know?

Tealeaf · 15-07-2008, 18:49

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In the meantime we slither into a Police State.

I'd rather have a police state than a sharia state (which is obviously what Jambutty and a few others on here would prefer).

andrewb · 15-07-2008, 18:54

I didn't think the Archbishop of Canterbury posted here.

den the menace · 15-07-2008, 19:19

didnt they use the terrorist act to eject an 80 yrs old geezer out of the labour party conference a couple of years ago?
we have a morally bankrupt government, why should we believe anything they say?
how about detaining a few MPs for a few months? see how they like it

Tealeaf · 15-07-2008, 19:23

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how about detaining a few MPs for a few months? see how they like it

They would not be able to tell as they would not know the difference between lying around doing nowt in a prison cell and lazying around doing nowt in their House of Commons office. That goes for 'em all, irrespective of party.

Gayle · 15-07-2008, 20:41

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What do you want to know?

I want to know who these innocent people are? Are they just random people picked up off the street or have they been under surveillance or have they done something that would indicate that they were terrorists?

Boeing Guy · 17-07-2008, 12:34

Not sure where I stand on this issue, I have no time for our government, however I also have very little time for Cameron, watch out Andrew, I have always voted Blue before, but now not so sure.

This whole detention without trial concerns me, the pilot part of me, the one that worries about being blown up, hijacked or killed trying to stop some nutter flying in to the Nat west tower says lock em up for ever. However the rational side of me realises that the true threat, will never ever show up on radar, until its too late.
So what have you achived, you alienate a group of people in our society and make them moe inclined to attack us. Not reeally 'Hearts and minds' now is it?

jaysay · 17-07-2008, 17:04

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Not sure where I stand on this issue, I have no time for our government, however I also have very little time for Cameron, watch out Andrew, I have always voted Blue before, but now not so sure.

This whole detention without trial concerns me, the pilot part of me, the one that worries about being blown up, hijacked or killed trying to stop some nutter flying in to the Nat west tower says lock em up for ever. However the rational side of me realises that the true threat, will never ever show up on radar, until its too late.
So what have you achived, you alienate a group of people in our society and make them moe inclined to attack us. Not reeally 'Hearts and minds' now is it?

I can agree with a lot of what our say BG, but the reason I was against this 42 day issue is that we have not had to release anybody without charge under the 28 day rule so why change it. And we also have to realise that the way our judiciary work, they let terror suspects out on the streets under the human rights act anyway, its only a few weeks ago that Bin ladens man in europe was let out on 24 hours curfew with leg monitor and then was seen and photographed walking down a London Street doing a bit of shopping, as you do