Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

[Boeing Guy]

Graham

This lot began their casino capitalism.

Just remind me....
Who sold off our Gold Reserves?
Who took PFI and ran with it, meaning now in East Lancashire we only have one A and E, Blackburn?
Who oversaw the financial crisis and let the bankers get away with it?
Which former leader of a UK political party/government earns the most money?
cheers

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by g jones

​‘Recovery ‘blown off course’, warns CBI’ (Tele p2) – Britain’s economic recovery is at risk of being ‘blown off course’ by the eurozone crisis & gloomy growth forecasts, the CBI has warned. It called on the govt to overhaul EU employment rights.

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I think this thread Is being blown off course as was democracy some time ago.

Or have you forgot already?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes Graham....believe it or not I understand that.

There isn't a leader in this whole mess, because both France and Germany have their own agenda.
If there had been a solution to this thorny problem(all brought about by a foolish experiment to shackle countries into the EU yoke) it would have been implemented by now.

As for your comment about a strong Franco-German alliance making the laws for Britain, in the event of a euro collapse........that is why we should be making the strongest efforts to leave the EU(my first choice) or re-negotiate our terms of membership......taking it back to a trade only agreement. Which is what we signed up for at the beginning......all the other 'bolted on' political stuff is draining the UK of vital resources. We are paying much for very little reward and saddling future generations with a debt that they need not have had.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Graham


Just remind me....
Who sold off our Gold Reserves?
Who took PFI and ran with it, meaning now in East Lancashire we only have one A and E, Blackburn?
Who oversaw the financial crisis and let the bankers get away with it?
Which former leader of a UK political party/government earns the most money?
cheers

Well said BG.

The private finance initiative was so that people were bamboozled into seeing new hospitals built, without actually realizing that they were mortgaged to private companies who only want to make a profit....the difference between a mortgage and PFI is that you have a good idea how much a mortgage is going to cost....with PFI you have no idea.....the lender can up the charges at will.

As for the banking crisis. The government of the time knew about the problems for 7 months before the news hit the streets, but did nothing.

The gold Reserves that Prudence sold off....that was the equivalent of my mothers 'Rainy Day' tin...only to be dipped into in the event of a dire emergency.....but Dear Gordon had his blind eye to the telescope and couldn't see the gathering clouds.

It is fine to take the speck out of someone else's eye.....if your own vision isn't totally obliterated by a boulder.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by g jones

Merkel is playing the spin game...Theirs the irony.

...and you're not?



Graham, there are plenty of other, more appropriate threads on Accy Web, in which you are free to push your own pro-European Union propoganda.

This thread is actually asking if people think what you did was the right, or the wrong thing, in voting against an E.U. referendum.

Overwhelming, the constituents of Hyndburn think you were wrong, in what you did.

Why did you vote against giving us the chance to have a say, as to whether or not we are in favour of self-determination?

We're confused, as two weeks previously, in public, on this very forum, you said you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, stating that it would 'settle this issue democratically'.

Why did you say that, then vote that we should be denied that democratic right two weeks later?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

...and you're not?



Graham, there are plenty of other, more appropriate threads on Accy Web, in which you are free to push your own pro-European Union propoganda.

This thread is actually asking if people think what you did was the right, or the wrong thing, in voting against an E.U. referendum.

Overwhelming, the constituents of Hyndburn think you were wrong, in what you did.

Why did you vote against giving us the chance to have a say, as to whether or not we are in favour of self-determination?

We're confused, as two weeks previously, in public, on this very forum, you said you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, stating that it would 'settle this issue democratically'.

Why did you say that, then vote that we should be denied that democratic right two weeks later?

Its obvious he thinks he's above us plebs Rindi, even though he used to be one

[garinda]

Originally Posted by g jones

Here we go again. EU Workers rights under attack again by vested interests, the wealthy. The working man (and more succintly woman ) are to 'pay' for banking crises whilst executive pay rockets by 49% in the UK. Working people have to stand together to defend their economic interests. The right has a new narrative that is was not aggressive capitalism, not the banks fault, but the EuroZone and the Euro. The Euro was fine b4 This lot began their casino capitalism.

​‘Recovery ‘blown off course’, warns CBI’ (Tele p2) – Britain’s economic recovery is at risk of being ‘blown off course’ by the eurozone crisis & gloomy growth forecasts, the CBI has warned. It called on the govt to overhaul EU employment rights.

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All pointless guff.

No one's listening.

We would have.

If what we thought really mattered.

If you'd supported our right to have a say in our future relationship with the E.U.

There would then have been a full, and public debate, discussing the pros, and cons of E.U. membership.

Why should we listen to you?

You didn't listen to us.

You won't even tell us why you said you had no problem with a referendum, shortly before voting against us having that right.

So you see, it's all rather pointless, you spouting your cut and pasted facts and figures.

Until you address what people really want answers to, collectively, no one's listening.

[Tealeaf]

Just going off GJ's latest incoherent ramblings, I wonder if he's suffering from a case of exhaustion? Tomorrow he has to introduce his Metal Theft Bill before the house; it's a ten minute rule bill and he will be speaking shortly after deputy PM's questions. Irrespective of his referendum debacle, cracking down on metal theft is pretty important - the LT is tonight reporting of 33 thefts in a month in Hyndburn.

Therefore he has to get this speech right and I've no doubt he's been writing, rewriting and burning lots of midnight oil. Lets just hope therefore, that when he rises from the hallowed green benches tomorrow he has it right and he does not repeat the dogs dinners which have passed for political argument on here. Our elected local politicians failed the town on thursday night so lets hope it's not twice in a week.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Just going off GJ's latest incoherent ramblings, I wonder if he's suffering from a case of exhaustion? Tomorrow he has to introduce his Metal Theft Bill before the house; it's a ten minute rule bill and he will be speaking shortly after deputy PM's questions. Irrespective of his referendum debacle, cracking down on metal theft is pretty important - the LT is tonight reporting of 33 thefts in a month in Hyndburn.

Therefore he has to get this speech right and I've no doubt he's been writing, rewriting and burning lots of midnight oil. Lets just hope therefore, that when he rises from the hallowed green benches tomorrow he has it right and he does not repeat the dogs dinners which have passed for political argument on here. Our elected local politicians failed the town on thursday night so lets hope it's not twice in a week.

Don't hold your breath T

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Just going off GJ's latest incoherent ramblings, I wonder if he's suffering from a case of exhaustion? Tomorrow he has to introduce his Metal Theft Bill before the house; it's a ten minute rule bill and he will be speaking shortly after deputy PM's questions. Irrespective of his referendum debacle, cracking down on metal theft is pretty important - the LT is tonight reporting of 33 thefts in a month in Hyndburn.

Therefore he has to get this speech right and I've no doubt he's been writing, rewriting and burning lots of midnight oil. Lets just hope therefore, that when he rises from the hallowed green benches tomorrow he has it right and he does not repeat the dogs dinners which have passed for political argument on here. Our elected local politicians failed the town on thursday night so lets hope it's not twice in a week.

Agreed, his campaign against metal theft, is important, and a pressing issue, and more power to him for championing it.

However, he could still have done all that, and seeing as he said he had no problem with it, also have voted we have a right to vote in a referendum.

He could have been the peoples' champion champion.

He voted against us awarding him that honour.

[Boeing Guy]

Seeing you are on line Graham looking at this thread, I will ask my question from post 226 again:

Graham

Just remind me....
Who sold off our Gold Reserves?
Who took PFI and ran with it, meaning now in East Lancashire we only have one A and E, Blackburn?
Who oversaw the financial crisis and let the bankers get away with it?
Which former leader of a UK political party/government earns the most money?
cheers

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Seeing you are on line Graham looking at this thread, I will ask my question from post 226 again:

I think some will fall on stony ground Si

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Seeing you are on line Graham looking at this thread, I will ask my question from post 226 again:

Really?

Thanks.

I'll try my luck too, and see if he's prepared to answer the question, we'd all love the answer to, as well.

Originally Posted by garinda

Why did you vote against giving us the chance to have a say, as to whether or not we are in favour of self-determination?

We're confused, as two weeks previously, in public, on this very forum, you said you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, stating that it would 'settle this issue democratically'.

Why did you say that, then vote that we should be denied that democratic right two weeks later?

[Boeing Guy]

Jay, we will see, I can be a bit like Paxman when I want to be.
Rindi mate, so far Graham has been replying for 25 minutes to this thread, Maybe he is having problems with simple questions?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Jay, we will see, I can be a bit like Paxman when I want to be.
Rindi mate, so far Graham has been replying for 25 minutes to this thread, Maybe he is having problems with simple questions?

25?

Then my euros are on you being the lucky questioner, to receive a reply.

My question isn't so complicated, for so long an answer.