Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

Any of you guys support this idea:

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Don't know if too many politicians would go for it; but I kinda like it

Maybe one of you could contact your member of parliament and find out what his postion is on recall elections.

Would think that's much like Turkeys endorsing Christmas Eric, they only play to the public when its coming up to elections, so doubt if any of them would want to answer to the people who stamped their ticket for the gravy train, before they are meant to

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Aye but who's to say they aint watching Blueys?

Do not be silly cashy, Jonesy watching a blueyhe hates anything blue except Rovers

[Wrighty]

I have received another e-mail from Graham Jones regarding the EU

Further to your previous email regarding the Commons motion on an EU membership referendum, I understand that our membership of the European Union is an issue which is very important to some people, so I wanted to explain the reasons I voted against the motion.

I wish first of all to dispel the belief that this motion would somehow lead to the UK’s withdrawal from the EU. The referendum proposed was not a simple yes/no question, it was a triple question offering in/out/in with reform. Opinion polls consistently show that the latter would win comfortably, locking Britain into Europe.

Secondly is the issue of my position prior to the general election. I stood as a Labour candidate on a Labour manifesto and was elected as such. The views of the Labour Party on Europe are well documented, and even if I did not share these views, it is important that I deliver to my constituents the promises upon which I was elected.

The UK’s membership of the EU has brought a great many benefits to UK citizens, most notably in the area of workers’ rights. The TUPE, the Working Time Directive, guarantees of fair pay, paid holidays and maternity and paternity leave are all guaranteed by European law. Indeed, the EU protects us as consumers as well as workers; the reduction in the cost of mobile phone calls to other European countries was the result of decisions made in Europe.

The Tory MPs who decry the EU as a ‘socialist’ organisation are in my view knowingly (or carelessly) attacking something which guarantees the working standards of my constituents, because of an ideological belief in the insignificance of such rights. There are many in my Party who are anti-EU, however it became evident during the debate that there was a split between the Labour euro sceptics and the Tory MPs who were interested only in undermining workers rights. As a Labour MP I refused to play any part in the continued dilution of workers’ rights.

Lastly is the issue of an alternative. If the UK was to leave the EU, we would surely still wish to trade with it (it is by far our greatest trade partner), and EU regulation would still apply to goods we wished to export to Europe. Therefore businesses would still have their goods regulated by Europe, but the UK would no longer have a say (not to mention a veto) on the formulation of these regulations. If we are to have the export-driven recovery that the government is pursuing, I think now is a particularly bad time to consider leaving the European Union.

I regret that I cannot support a referendum on membership of the EU until these issues have been addressed, a credible alternative to membership has been articulated, and euro sceptics on the right accept comprehensive employment legislation.

Yours sincerely
Graham Jones

[Benipete]

More irrelevant waffle.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I regret I will not vote for any politician who cannot see the damage that the EU is doing to our country.....what the hell am I saying.........No I don't regret that I cannot vote for a politician who cannot follow his own values.

The long epistle from Mr Jones is proof that he has lost touch with the concerns for the local people he chose to represent, and has replaced these with Labour Party dogma.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Just not good enough.

[cashman]

What a load of crap, i aint seen "ANY" opinion poll showing what he states. all he would have had to do,is point people in the direction of these polls, to prove his case.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I regret I will not vote for any politician who cannot see the damage that the EU is doing to our country.....what the hell am I saying.........No I don't regret that I cannot vote for a politician who cannot follow his own values.

The long epistle from Mr Jones is proof that he has lost the concerns for the local people he chose to represent, and has replaced these with Labour Party dogma.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Just not good enough.

That must mean we're in the other group.

Not in the '95% who don't give a toss about Europe', according to Graham Jones.

We might all have to shuffle in a bit more.

It's getting awfully crowded in here.

[Margaret Pilkington]

]And the workers rights that Graham bleats on about will be workers coming here from the Eastern bloc.
I am sick of hearing it........round and round we go...paying more in, getting nowt out.......letting folk in, paying then for coming here...........
FOR GOD'S SAKE WILL SOMEONE GET US OUT????? NOW!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

]And the workers rights that Graham bleats on about will be workers coming here from the Eastern bloc.
I am sick of hearing it........round and round we go...paying more in, getting nowt out.......letting folk in, paying then for coming here...........
FOR GOD'S SAKE WILL SOMEONE GET US OUT????? NOW!

Didn't Graham Jones, rather patronisingly I thought, post on here recently that you were the voice of reason?

Well what you're saying sounds perfectly reasonable to a great many people.

Even if mainstream political parties choose to ignore the rights of millions of people, who are desperately demanding a say in their own future.

Graham Jones's latest waffle is right up there with 'Ve ver only obeying ze orders', some what fittingly. Considering who's now calling the orders.

Unsuprisingly I still see he has no excuse, for mentioning democracy, and saying he had no problem with a referendum, weeks before voting against us having that democratic right.

[cashman]

Question fer accywebbers? Has anyone seen any of "All these Polls" that substansiate what is being claimed? cos i would love to.

[garinda]

Not one British person has ever been allowed a say if they want the U.K. to be a member of the E.U., or voted in favour of E.U. membership, nor have they agreed to have laws passed in Brussels, that we must abide by.

That makes a mockery, of the supposed fact that we're meant to live in a democracy!!!

[jaysay]

Unadulterated Bull Shine for want of a better word, so he says he was elected on a labour party manifesto, will anybody on here tell me if they have ever actually read a copy or even seen one of any of the party manifesto prior to election, I would think the only people who have are those deeply involved in politics, but I wouldn't say it was bedtime reading for most folks in Hyndburn. Local people expect their MP to represent their needs in Westminster not kowtow to the Party machine come what may. Graham Jones had the chance to win the people of Hyndburn over and they would have supported him from then on, but he blew it big time and a lot of people won't forget

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cashman

Question fer accywebbers? Has anyone seen any of "All these Polls" that substansiate what is being claimed? cos i would love to.

I'm still waiting for proof that would back up Graham Jones's statement that '95% don't give a toss about Europe'.

Perhaps that poll was taken amongst party brown noses, at some fancy dinner, held at that EdM person's gaff.

[cashman]

I have to say that statement reminds me very much of "Custers Last Stand"

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Unadulterated Bull Shine for want of a better word, so he says he was elected on a labour party manifesto, will anybody on here tell me if they have ever actually read a copy or even seen one of any of the party manifesto prior to election, I would think the only people who have are those deeply involved in politics, but I wouldn't say it was bedtime reading for most folks in Hyndburn. Local people expect their MP to represent their needs in Westminster not kowtow to the Party machine come what may. Graham Jones had the chance to win the people of Hyndburn over and they would have supported him from then on, but he blew it big time and a lot of people won't forget

Is a manifesto like when leaders make promises, before an election?

Like both Blair, and Brown did, promising a referendum on the E.U.?