Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Hooray Cashy, someone else who has seen the light about the tricks that new Labour pulled.

within 2 weeks of tont blair winning his first election it was clear labour were no longer the party for teh people simply because within those 2 weeks he broke 3 prommises and by half way through the first year he had broke every single one of his electoral prommises.

At least when cameron said tough times were ahead he wasnt joking he just forgot to say only for the poorer folk

[garinda]

'The recent EU debate was somewhat a damp squib. All of the euro sceptic’s failed to address my concerns.'
Graham Jones MP: Sophology of EU membership.

Oh the irony.

With Mr. Jones failing to address the questions raised on here.

Mainly the reason why he publicly stated he had no problem with an E.U. referendum, mentioning it would settle the issue 'democratically', two short weeks before voting that his constituents be denied that democratic right.

'Instead the debate focused on Daily Mail led issues. Trivial issues that aroused the attention of 81 rightwing Tory backbenchers who failed to present a coherent argument focusing their attack exclusively against EU workers rights.'
Graham Jones MP: Sophology of EU membership.

Bless him.

Scratching away in his little Secret Squirrel diary, whoops, blog.

Away with the fairies, in the make believe land, where all those who'd like a referendum are right-wing Little Englanders.

No nasty questions to answer.

No scathing comments.

Must be such a comfort.

Similarly comforting, as knowing no matter how much support you've lost up here, you'll always have a friend in that bloke EdM.

Thanks for keeping the E.U. referendum newsworthy.

It won't be going away.

Though thanks for your help...this time.

[cmonstanley]

just of interest why would we want to revoke the rights of workers there is only always one loser when so called right wing tories start to play their cards and that is the common worker who try and abide by the law,pay there taxes and keep the country afloat.why do they want to erode peoples rights,

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

just of interest why would we want to revoke the rights of workers there is only always one loser when so called right wing tories start to play their cards and that is the common worker who try and abide by the law,pay there taxes and keep the country afloat.why do they want to erode peoples rights,

The rights of every Briton should be the concern of those democratically elected to represent us in Westminster.

Not by some faceless bureaucrat...in Brussels.

Some would argue that unions, created to protect workers' rights, had much more clout, prior to the U.K. joining the then Common Market, in 1973.

[Acrylic-bob]

Can I just make an intervention here regarding workers rights.

You can have all the rights and guarantees you like and you can blather on and on about protecting them till you are blue in the gob and the cows come home. But if there are no jobs because employers see employees and their rights as an expense rather than an asset, what use are they?

No reasonable, rational person would deny that the principle of a fair days pay for a fair days work is part of the social contract. The days of rapacious mill owners compelling wokers to slave for all the hours that God sent and paying them coppers for the privilege are long gone.

Get over it and move on! Please. Before we all die of boredom.

If you make it so complex and expensive to employ people then businesses will, of course, not employ people. They will move to jurisdictions where business can be conducted at a profit, which is the point of engaging in business, rather than as a branch of Social Services.

From the excesses of the Victorian Mill owners the pendulum of workers rights has swung to the opposite extreme today. What we need to find is some mutually acceptable middle ground.

If nobody minds, I won't be holding my breath while I wait.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Can I just make an intervention here regarding workers rights.

You can have all the rights and guarantees you like and you can blather on and on about protecting them till you are blue in the gob and the cows come home. But if there are no jobs because employers see employees and their rights as an expense rather than an asset, what use are they?

No reasonable, rational person would deny that the principle of a fair days pay for a fair days work is part of the social contract. The days of rapacious mill owners compelling wokers to slave for all the hours that God sent and paying them coppers for the privilege are long gone.

Get over it and move on! Please. Before we all die of boredom.

If you make it so complex and expensive to employ people then businesses will, of course, not employ people. They will move to jurisdictions where business can be conducted at a profit, which is the point of engaging in business, rather than as a branch of Social Services.

From the excesses of the Victorian Mill owners the pendulum of workers rights has swung to the opposite extreme today. What we need to find is some mutually acceptable middle ground.

If nobody minds, I won't be holding my breath while I wait.

First class post Bob

[Margaret Pilkington]

I second that John.

[cmonstanley]

for example the tories want id of the tupe and nmw you are living in a dream world of dinasuar politics. what is wrong with having workers rights

[Boeing Guy]

What exactly is

tories want id of the tupe and nmw you are living in a dream world of dinasuar politics.

Anyone?

[Boeing Guy]

Ah got it, rid of the TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations2006) and National Minimum Wage.
Anything to back it up?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

for example the tories want id of the tupe and nmw you are living in a dream world of dinasuar politics. what is wrong with having workers rights

This thread asks if members if they think Graham Jones did the right thing, in voting against people having the right to vote in a referendum on E.U. membership.

Please keep your anti-Tory gibberish to one of your many other threads.

[Margaret Pilkington]

As A-B so succinctly put it, if there are no jobs for the workers because of the strangling of employers with EU red tape, then what use are workers rights if the jobs have gone overseas to countries who are not hindered by EU regulations?
C'mon clever clogs get your brain round that one.

[Acrylic-bob]

I don't think Labour Party Policy or Socialist Ideology ever had an answer for that one, Margaret.

I think the closest they ever got were the old Soviet era Five Year Plans, You know, where there were record harvests before they were even planted and tractor production was going through the roof while the economy was in tatters and the people were starving.

[accyman]

seen as most jobs are either part time or temporary agencey jobs these days pretty much most of the workforce work under different rules anyway and dont exactly have workers rights.

the only workers right i can think of off the top of my head is you have the right to put up with your rubbish boss or he will employ an immigrant at half the cost

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

What exactly is

Anyone?

Exactly my thoughts too BG, if he was trying to make a point he missed the target by 25 feet