Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by andrewb

The People's Pledge are an organisation setting up referenda across the country asking if people want an in/out referendum. They've been mentioned here before and quite a few of us have signed up. They ran their first campaign in Thurrock where over 14,000 people voted and 90% voted in favour of an in/out referendum.

A few days ago Graham posted about it at Graham Jones MP: Something just feels wrong about the People's Pledge. He says "I have long held the view that the Euro question should at some stage be considered for a referendum." Despite voting against having a referendum in the next Parliament, he still claims to want one.

That shows the contempt he has for his electorate, if he is still claiming he wants a referendum on Europe why did he vote against it, just to toe the party line and keep in favour with Mr Ed

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Just evidence of more hypocrisy.
I have long held the view that the Euro question should at some stage be considered for a referendum. As Hyndburn's MP I believe the Labour Party should consider that option and anti-EU campaigners in Hyndburn can be assured my it is certainly not as one sided as they perceive my position to be on a referendum.

This quote is taken from your link Andrew....some of it makes sense...but some of it doesn't.
anti-EU campaigners in Hyndburn can be assured my it is certainly not as one sided as they perceive my position to be on a referendum.
That bit doesn't...enlighten me please someone

As further evidence of his gross hypocrisy, Graham Jones even had the gall to start his own thread/poll on here, on the actual day of the vote regarding the E.U. referendum, soliciting our views.

Which again showed that the overwhelming majority wanted the democratic right to vote in a referendum, regarding membership of a body we historically never voted to join.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ote-59637.html

Sadly, even with this further evidence, he decided to vote against his constituents being allowed to have the right to have their say on whether we want to be members of the European Union, or not.

He smugly chose party, over us, the people.

Then, moments after the result was announced, he was gleefully posting on Twitter that it had been a 'disaster for the Tories', because they'd many more rebels than Labour, who'd voted in favour of us being allowed a referendum.

Not a single tweet from himself, about the whole debacle being a disaster for Britain's democracy.

Seems this is still an important issue for a lot of people.

Still, at least it takes attention away from the recent legal battles he's involved himself with, concerning the recent elections.

Every cloud...

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

As further evidence of his gross hypocrisy, Graham Jones even had the gall to start his own thread/poll on here, on the actual day of the vote regarding the E.U. referendum, soliciting our views.

Which again showed that the overwhelming majority wanted the democratic right to vote in a referendum, regarding membership of a body we historically never voted to join.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ote-59637.html

Sadly, even with this further evidence, he decided to vote against his constituents being allowed to have the right to have their say on whether we want to be members of the European Union, or not.

He smugly chose party, over us, the people.

Then, moments after the result was announced, he was gleefully posting on Twitter that it had been a 'disaster for the Tories', because they'd many more rebels than Labour, who'd voted in favour of us being allowed a referendum.

Not a single tweet from himself, about the whole debacle being a disaster for Britain's democracy.

Seems this is still an important issue for a lot of people.

Still, at least it takes attention away from the recent legal battles he's involved himself with, concerning the recent elections.

Every cloud...

Be careful Rindi you'll be getting dark and sinister PMs

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Be careful Rindi you'll be getting dark and sinister PMs

Or you could get a personal visit.......again

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Just evidence of more hypocrisy.
I have long held the view that the Euro question should at some stage be considered for a referendum. As Hyndburn's MP I believe the Labour Party should consider that option and anti-EU campaigners in Hyndburn can be assured my it is certainly not as one sided as they perceive my position to be on a referendum.

This quote is taken from your link Andrew....some of it makes sense...but some of it doesn't.
anti-EU campaigners in Hyndburn can be assured my it is certainly not as one sided as they perceive my position to be on a referendum.
That bit doesn't...enlighten me please someone

Yes, yet more gibberish, and evidence of his hypocrisy.

We should be getting used to it by now.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Be careful Rindi you'll be getting dark and sinister PMs

From the same politicos, who used to cheer me on, with messages of support, when I was on their opponent's case?

Bring it on.

I enjoy a good laugh.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Or you could get a personal visit.......again

Or do you mean a personal visit from someone higher up this time, than the Deputy Leader of the Hyndburn Borough Council?

Here to set the record straight, in the vain hope of silence, from my good self?




Oh goody.

I love company.

I'll bake some more We Want a Referendum buns.

Made with my secret ingredient filling.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Or do you mean a personal visit from someone higher up than the Deputy Leader of the Hyndburn Borough Council?

Here to set the record straight.

In the vain hope of silence, from my good self.

Goody.

I love company.

I'll bake some We Want a Referendum buns.

Made with my secret ingredient filling.

Not the secret ingredient filling, oh no

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Not the secret ingredient filling, oh no

Yes, though I couldn't find a laxative smiley, suitable for a family forum.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by accyman

if we pulled out of europe there wouldnt be any of those cushy euro mp jobs to go to when the locals dont like a MP anymore right ?

Yes, they all seem to find a carrot to dangle before us, with promise of an E.U. referendum, prior to an election.

But it magically disappears, just after polling day.

Well we're tired of a diet of magic carrots.

In fact, we're thoroughly sickened by them.

[Margaret Pilkington]

How can you tell when a politician is lying?


































His lips are moving!

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Go on then, give me the full facts on pulling out of Europe.

As a Eurosceptic I'd really like to know the full implications.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I don't 'follow' him, I just trust him to make decent judgements on issues that he knows about. I don't know about the Europe situation anywhere near as well as he does and from hearing him talk he knows his stuff.

Why would I know about the EU inside out? I don't need to as yet.

Something struck me about these declarations - it's the "as yet".

Sounds ominous.

An "oar" in International Affairs at HBC - could this be the launch-pad towards a career at an International level and reveal sub-conscious European political ambitions in our man from Rishton

Keep watching this space...

[Eric]

So ... if the current leader of the Labour Party decides ... not out of conviction, or a love of democracy of course, but as a matter of political expediency ... if he decides to adopt holding a referendum as part of his party's platform, and it actually comes to pass, with the support of your current MP, will that change how informed voters (the five per cent who do give a rat's ass) view that MP's performance?

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Eric

So ... if the current leader of the Labour Party decides ... not out of conviction, or a love of democracy of course, but as a matter of political expediency ... if he decides to adopt holding a referendum as part of his party's platform, and it actually comes to pass, with the support of your current MP, will that change how informed voters (the five per cent who do give a rat's ass) view that MP's performance?

Even if we were ever to get a referendum, and the vote came out for leaving, the EU would just throw it out & demand another vote like they did with Ireland.
My thoughts are if Cameron played the referendum card, at the next EU summit, with conviction, then they might just back off, & stop interfering in Gt Britains affairs, & give us a better deal. The way things are with Greece at the moment, it might just make them stop & think.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Even if we were ever to get a referendum, and the vote came out for leaving, the EU would just throw it out & demand another vote like they did with Ireland.
My thoughts are if Cameron played the referendum card, at the next EU summit, with conviction, then they might just back off, & stop interfering in Gt Britains affairs, & give us a better deal. The way things are with Greece at the moment, it might just make them stop & think.

Has it really got to the point where the EU could thwart the democratically expressed wishes of the British public ... Ireland, maybe, but the UK? Isn't it the sixth or seventh wealthiest country in the world. I mean, we ain't talking River Dance and Guiness here. Since I have lived in Canada, we have had two hard-fought referenda on independence for la belle province de Quebec. A Canada without Quebec! And at the same time, there were rumblings from the Western Provinces, the Maritimes, and British Columbia (not a western province, in the sense that the UK is not European) about separation for their regions. Scary times. However, if the folks in Quebec had voted to leave Confederation, the Feds and the other nine provinces would have accepted the democratically expressed wishes of the Quebecois. Europe is becoming a weird place ... and the krauts ... it's time they had another good ass kicking.