Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

You always get mixed up with that one, it was you who was voting for bumps not me

No, I'm like an old Nelly the elephant.

I never forget.

You made a joke about breasts, and also said you could never vote Labour.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I think that being 'involved' in politics is a bit different to being a politician.

Yes, a maid who works in a brothel, isn't an actual whore.

She just helps them out when they're busy.

Isn't politics the second oldest profession in the world?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I think that being 'involved' in politics is a bit different to being a politician.

My point entirely Margaret

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Yes, a maid who works in a brothel, isn't an actual whore.

She just helps them out when they're busy.

Isn't politics the second oldest profession in the world?

Its actually debatable which came first Rindi

[Guinness]

I'm watching this one with interest, we'll see how Mr Jones blog post holds water regarding the peoples pledge, now that there is cross party support in the Cheadle campaign.

He's already on shaky ground by branding Europhobes as inflammatory, because I see nothing inflammatory in the following blog from the Peoples Pledge founder.

People's Pledge: For every John Redwood, you need a Jon Cruddas | Total Politics

[garinda]

'Lord Owen is the most senior political figure to back a referendum publicly.'

'He twice resigned from the Labour front bench over its opposition to the then European Economic Community and founded the rival Social Democratic Party.'

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Give us a vote on EU demands Lord Owen




Good to see at least one ex-Labour, pro-European minister, has finally realised that the we deserve a say, whether we want to be a part of a centralised governed state, that the European Union has become, and which is very far removed from the purely trade alliance, that we voted to join in the seventies.

Let's hope today's active politicans wake up and smell the café...before it's too late.

[cashman]

Big fault wi Owen to me..............Hes goes the way the winds blowing. even if i do agree wi him, regard him as a tosspot.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Big fault wi Owen to me..............Hes goes the way the winds blowing. even if i do agree wi him, regard him as a tosspot.

Ya cashy ya stick your left leg in your left leg out, in out, in out, shake it all about

[garinda]

'The Labour Party manifesto calls for a 100% elected House of Lords. However, the Labour Party also believes that before making such a huge change, there should be a referendum – only if the country votes through a referendum for Lords Reform should it go ahead.'

Graham Jones MP: Lords Reform should not go ahead just to appease the Liberal Democrats

Oh well, if those pulling the strings, say a referendum is the only answer, when there's momentous change planned, that's ok then.

I suppose a referendum would 'settle the issue democratically'.

Which Graham Jones posted on here would also be the case, in a referendum on E.U. membership.

Two short weeks prior to voting against us having that democratic right.

After all, the European Union has momentously changed, from when we voted in a referendum to join an economic trade alliance called the Common Market.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

'The Labour Party manifesto calls for a 100% elected House of Lords. However, the Labour Party also believes that before making such a huge change, there should be a referendum – only if the country votes through a referendum for Lords Reform should it go ahead.'

Graham Jones MP: Lords Reform should not go ahead just to appease the Liberal Democrats

Oh well, if those pulling the strings, say a referendum is the only answer, when there's momentous change planned, that's ok then.

I suppose a referendum would 'settle the issue democratically'.

Which Graham Jones posted on here would also be the case, in a referendum on E.U. membership.

Two short weeks prior to voting against us having that democratic right.

After all, the European Union has momentously changed, from when we voted in a referendum to join an economic trade alliance called the Common Market.

Hey ... that Common Market thing wasn't a bad idea. I have neither the time nor the inclination to trace how it grew, or mutated into the EU though The mess that the EU is in will certainly affect economies world wide ... us too. If the Greeks pull out; and if you guys get the referendum you want and deserve, the whole thing will come apart ... good riddance too. There will be a lot of short term pain, no doubt; but the long term gain will more than make up for it. And the Hun will for a third time in a century lose out in attempt at dominating Europe

Obviously I have no love for Germany; but you gotta admire their resilience and tenacity Maybe the Germans have been reading their Sun Tzu: "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

Hey ... that Common Market thing wasn't a bad idea. I have neither the time nor the inclination to trace how it grew, or mutated into the EU though The mess that the EU is in will certainly affect economies world wide ... us too. If the Greeks pull out; and if you guys get the referendum you want and deserve, the whole thing will come apart ... good riddance too. There will be a lot of short term pain, no doubt; but the long term gain will more than make up for it. And the Hun will for a third time in a century lose out in attempt at dominating Europe

Obviously I have no love for Germany; but you gotta admire their resilience and tenacity Maybe the Germans have been reading their Sun Tzu: "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

Even if the give us a referendum Eric doesn't mean they'll take any notice of it, they're like that politicians, they always know best

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, John.......I'm sure that I read somewhere(one of the online newspapers) that even if we were offered the chance to vote on the EU, it would not be binding!
Where is the point in that eh? Appeasement...pandering to the electorate without actually doing anything positive on the results......unfortunately, that sounds about right.

[Wynonie Harris]

They'll do what they did with Ireland. They'll make us keep repeating the exercise until we come up with the "correct" result.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

They'll do what they did with Ireland. They'll make us keep repeating the exercise until we come up with the "correct" result.

Disagree, to repeat, yeh gotta get the exercise in the first place.

[Wynonie Harris]

Not so sure about that. I reckon the rapid rate at which things are changing in Europe with the euro on the point of unravelling before our eyes, they might have to give us a referendum. But they'll fudge the question or ignore the result or do something to deny our wishes.