Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

garinda · 25-10-2011, 11:19

Sorry, apologies for another poll on a similar topic, but I think it would be interesting to gauge public feeling, following Graham Jones's decision to vote against the British people being allowed a vote in a referendum on European Union membership last night.

It's a simple yes/no secret poll.

Wynonie Harris · 25-10-2011, 11:31

I don't see how anyone could possibly think he did make the right vote.

OK, there are two sides to the pro/anti-EU arguments and these arguments would have come out in a run-up to a referendum.

However, as has been said many times, the EU has become a completely different animal since the last referendum. There has been a wholesale shift in this country's sovereignty with us losing control over our borders and with whole swathes of laws being transferred to Brussels. This process can only continue as the mandarins of the EU continue in their drive to create a federal state.

To deny the British people a say on their own destiny displays a total contempt of the very tenets of democracy upon which our country has been built.

garinda · 25-10-2011, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I don't see how anyone could possibly think he did make the right vote.

OK, there are two sides to the pro/anti-EU arguments and these arguments would have come out in a run-up to a referendum.

However, as has been said many times, the EU has become a completely different animal since the last referendum. There has been a wholesale shift in this country's sovereignty with us losing control over our borders and with whole swathes of laws being transferred to Brussels. This process can only continue as the mandarins of the EU continue in their drive to create a federal state.

To deny the British people a say on their own destiny displays a total contempt of the very tenets of democracy upon which our country has been built.

Somebody does.

Hey councillor?

mobertol · 25-10-2011, 11:39

No need for secrecy - have just seen the results of the paliamentary vote, it was a foregone conclusion.
Did not one labour MP have the courage to follow His/Her own conscience and constituents wishes?
Nearly 100 Tories did show some moral integrity- something doesn't add up here, thought it was supposed to be those on the left who were the true idealists and closer to "THE PEOPLE"...

garinda · 25-10-2011, 11:40

They say rats stick together on a sinking ship.

garinda · 25-10-2011, 11:43

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Originally Posted by mobertol

No need for secrecy - have just seen the results of the paliamentary vote, it was a foregone conclusion.
Did not one labour MP have the courage to follow His/Her own conscience and constituents wishes?
Nearly 100 Tories did show some moral integrity- something doesn't add up here, thought it was supposed to be those on the left who were the true idealists and closer to "THE PEOPLE"...

There were 19 brave Labour M.P.'s.

Ours' not being one of them.

Full list of MPs who voted for an EU referendum | Politics | The Guardian

garinda · 25-10-2011, 11:46

Shall we play a little game, and guess who might vote he did the right thing, and try and also guess if there's anything that ties them all together?

Neil · 25-10-2011, 12:26

I can't understand why our MP's don't want us to decide what we want for our Country's future.

Do they think we are to stupid to made an informed choice?

Maybe Graham would like to explain if he thinks he constituents are to stupid to understand what the EU means for the Country and make an informed choice.

garinda · 25-10-2011, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Neil

I can't understand why our MP's don't want us to decide what we want for our Country's future.

Do they think we are to stupid to made an informed choice?

Maybe Graham would like to explain if he thinks he constituents are to stupid to understand what the EU means for the Country and make an informed choice.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.''

- John Dalberg-Acton.

WillowTheWhisp · 25-10-2011, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Neil

Do they think we are to stupid to made an informed choice?

I rather suspect they do and that is infuriating. The people who do not understand don't bother voting about such things anyway. In a democratic country we should have a right to make our views known.

Taggy · 25-10-2011, 13:28

No of course he didn't make the right choice....and underneath all the bluster he knows it too! But...for the moment at least...he wont be bothered! Because you see, he's part of the "Cozy Club" now, its a safety in numbers thing, we wont matter to him now until it comes that time again when we DO have a chance to vote!

Its not that most politicians think we are to stupid to form an educated opinion, its just that they don't actually give a damn what we think....until it matters to THEM!

Best Regards - Taggy

Retlaw · 25-10-2011, 14:18

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Originally Posted by mobertol

No need for secrecy - have just seen the results of the paliamentary vote, it was a foregone conclusion.
Did not one labour MP have the courage to follow His/Her own conscience and constituents wishes?
Nearly 100 Tories did show some moral integrity- something doesn't add up here, thought it was supposed to be those on the left who were the true idealists and closer to "THE PEOPLE"...

Probably Cameron was ordered to kill it by his political masters in Brussels, they would loose billions if Great Britain left, they would be thinking of at all the money they've been robbing us of every year, providing their luxury life styles. Ireland was told to vote again, till they came up with a yes vote.
Retlaw

garinda · 25-10-2011, 17:30

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Well good luck with that fight for justice Graham.

That's what 'people power' is all about.

(It's about the theft of copper wire, in case you're wondering.)

jaysay · 25-10-2011, 17:36

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Well good luck with that fight for justice Graham.

That's what 'people power' is all about.

(It's about the theft of copper wire, in case you're wondering.)

Oh its not about the fact he copped out then

garinda · 25-10-2011, 17:38

Many seem keen to back up their 'it was the wrong way to vote', with their reasons why.

Any of the small minority of 'yes, he did the right thing' voters, brave enough to publicly share with the forum why you think that?

It would be helpful if you could.

As the reason why it was the right way to vote last night, seems to be alluding the greater majority of people on here.