DNA Sampling in Schools - Page 4

Tinkerbelle · 29-09-2006, 15:37

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

And perhaps the percentage of criminals would rise as more are convicted. It's like saying there isn't much crime because we don't catch many crimnals.

Yes, but wouldn't it look better on the Govenment if they could say that they were tackling the issue head on with a National DNA database, instead of hiding crime rates in fictitious statistics as they do now?

andrewb · 29-09-2006, 16:03

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Originally Posted by garinda

Dental records.

Medical records.

Bank account.

Credit card account.

Driving licence.

Store cards.

Passports.

Mobile phones.

CCTV.

We are already tracked nearly every minute of the day. I really don't see how having us all on a national data base for our DNA will make any difference to innocent people's lives, or infringe on our civil liberties.

If just one poor person is saved from being raped/murdered by some sick bastard, or one person with amnesia is reunited with a worried family, or one family is able to have a body to bury after some terrible terrorist attack...it is in my opinion worth it.

The majority of the things you have mentioned are optional though. You are talking about a mandatory DNA database.

garinda · 29-09-2006, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

The majority of the things you have mentioned are optional though. You are talking about a mandatory DNA database.

Mandatory yes, but are you telling me you have none of the ways listed by which we are tracked?

Still waiting for a good example from one of you about how our civil liberties would be infringed?

andrewb · 29-09-2006, 18:02

I have medical records
Bank (building society) account
Mobile phone

Anyway.. it infringes them because I dont want to be forced to have my DNA on profile, or anything else they might want to put with it in the future.

garinda · 29-09-2006, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

I have medical records
Bank (building society) account
Mobile phone

Anyway.. it infringes them because I dont want to be forced to have my DNA on profile, or anything else they might want to put with it in the future.

Thank you.

In my book not a very valid reason, because you don't want it, but thanks for trying.

Any other more illuminating reasons as to how civil liberties would be infringed by a national DNA database?

Neil · 29-09-2006, 18:07

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Originally Posted by garinda

Still waiting for a good example from one of you about how our civil liberties would be infringed?

Don't hold your breath matey, they can't think of any. They put their collective heads together and all they could make was a shed

garinda · 29-09-2006, 18:10

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Originally Posted by Neil

Don't hold your breath matey, they can't think of any. The put their collective heads together and all they could make was a shed

He doesn't like it. At least he's honest.

Jambutty has been deadly quiet as to the reason why civil liberties might be infringed.

If he doesn't answer soon I might be tempted to take a crafty DNA sample. I hope after all the mystery he isn't Jack the Ripper.

andrewb · 29-09-2006, 18:10

Oh and of course theres the fact that if there was a huge DNA database then people would start planting DNA and being even more clever, hence rendering the database pointless. Example:

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The value of DNA evidence has to be seen in light of recent cases where criminals planted fake DNA samples at crime scenes. In one case, a criminal even planted fake DNA evidence in his own body: Dr. John Schneeberger of Canada raped one of his sedated patients in 1992 and left semen on her underwear. Police drew Schneeberger's blood and compared its DNA against the crime scene semen DNA on three occasions, never showing a match. It turned out that he had surgically inserted a Penrose Drain into his arm and filled it with foreign blood and anticoagulants.

Once cases like that start happening, how can you use DNA as reliable evidence..

garinda · 29-09-2006, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Oh and of course theres the fact that if there was a huge DNA database then people would start planting DNA and being even more clever, hence rendering the database pointless. Example:

Once cases like that start happening, how can you use DNA as reliable evidence..

Any evidence could be fraudulent. Its up to a jury of twelve people to decide on the probability of someones guilt or innocence.

garinda · 29-09-2006, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Oh and of course theres the fact that if there was a huge DNA database then people would start planting DNA and being even more clever, hence rendering the database pointless. Example:

Once cases like that start happening, how can you use DNA as reliable evidence..

....for the same reasons would you be against fingerprinting being used as evidence?

andrewb · 29-09-2006, 18:16

and hence I would be against a mandatory fingerprint database

andrewb · 29-09-2006, 18:20

Oh and the cloning thing... only the dna information is needed, why would the cells be needed? Only the nucleus contains dna.

Would you really want that possibility that a government or private company in the future could clone a person..

garinda · 29-09-2006, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Would you really want that possibility that a government or private company in the future could clone a person..

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

Infact I think you'd all be better off if you had more than one me.

SPUGGIE J · 29-09-2006, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Oh and the cloning thing... only the dna information is needed, why would the cells be needed? Only the nucleus contains dna.

Would you really want that possibility that a government or private company in the future could clone a person..

Because it could be classed as asexual reproduction. Its easier to copy the cell ameboa style than with just dna.

WillowTheWhisp · 29-09-2006, 18:55

Hang on, we are talking about information, not little samples of DNA that the police can carry in their pockets and plop down at crime scenes to finger a suspect.