Do They Live In The Real World?

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by derekgas

If the banks start to loan again too soon, people who are/have been out of work, and stupidly run the credit cards to the limit, will cause all kinds of problems, not being able to pay them back, this happened in the 90's, and they are well aware of it, so i dont blame them.

I dont think for one minute that this is what's meant when this govenrment ask the banks to start lending again.
Small businesses and manufacturing businesses must take priority. They are employers.
If small bank customers decide to take on more credit that they can afford, it's down to the banks to refuse, they have got records and have the wherewithall to consult credit control specialists who have a record of every UK residence and i'ts occupants.
Anyone who puts the label of Fat Cat on a small business owner nust be very misguided.
I have read that the company Ffyfes went under today. They supplied Bananas to the majority of Fruit Wholesalers in the country.
Supermarkets are not buying from suppliers like this anymore.
I fear for the future unless we take complete stock and stuff the politics.

[blazey]

I wonder why my opinion is off less value to anyone elses on this forum. It isn't like I claimed to have a solid knowledge on it or be the leading opinion, i only said from what I understand of the issue. If anyone else had said that they think the way the government is addressing the problem is disgusting people would have rushed to agree.


I also wonder why northerners always victimise themselves when it comes to politics. Figurehead politicians come up north to speak and you all view it like it is just a ploy to get votes. How sad that people doubt that someone could actually care.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by blazey

I wonder why my opinion is off less value to anyone elses on this forum.

It's not

[Boeing Guy]

Dear Blazey, your opinion is not disregarded by myself, or is it of no value. You have your own views on things and so do I. I have agreed with you on a several occasions and have even left karma for you.
My point was that your comments on a capitalist society and AndrewB's comments on how well Mr Cameron is doing, sounded like Political spin to me.
To be fair I find AndrewB's response very typical of of our political system. So don't get hurt by it, either of you, it was not personal

Keep em flying BG

[cashman]

Originally Posted by blazey

I wonder why my opinion is off less value to anyone elses on this forum.

utter bunkem, never heard such garbage, yer on a paranoia trip or summat blaze.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Dear Blazey, your opinion is not disregarded by myself, or is it of no value. You have your own views on things and so do I. I have agreed with you on a several occasions and have even left karma for you.
My point was that your comments on a capitalist society and AndrewB's comments on how well Mr Cameron is doing, sounded like Political spin to me.
To be fair I find AndrewB's response very typical of of our political system. So don't get hurt by it, either of you, it was not personal

Keep em flying BG

It's not political spin at all though. I was pretty much quoting what he had said during the interview that the original poster watched, in order to inform that he hadn't just come to Manchester to talk about benefit cheats.

If having an alternative course of action to what governments pursue (which is what I had posted about) is typical of our political system, then good!

[jaysay]

Don't lets forget that Gordon and his Team (I use that phrase very loosely) are holding a cabinet meeting in Liverpool today, its part of the listening to the people clap trap which they've been spouting for years, they came, they saw, they listened, they stuck two fingers up to the public and said we know best get stuffed. Oh and by the way this is the third little exercise of this type costing the tax payer £200,000 a pop, mind you at least Gordon Will be saving two and a half percent VAT on the bill

[Studio25]

Originally Posted by blazey

...unfortunately I'm not in a position to dictate how the government should govern.

Aren't you? I thought that's what "democracy" was all about.

[Boeing Guy]

Just came across this https://donate.barackobama.com/page/...source=feature do you think Dave, Gordon or the other one might want to give the idea a go????

[Taggy]

Originally Posted by derekgas

If the banks start to loan again too soon, people who are/have been out of work, and stupidly run the credit cards to the limit, will cause all kinds of problems, not being able to pay them back, this happened in the 90's, and they are well aware of it, so i dont blame them.

I really do think that too much focus is being placed on individual debt....but then again, this is what the powers that be want us to do! The main problem has been the total greed, incompetance and irresponsibility of the Bankers and Fund Managers. They have not only encouraged individuals to borrow more than they could afford, but have put their own companies at risk by overvaluing assets and order books in order to finance a corrupt bonus system, built purely on short term gains. Why should the Government lend to the banks, if these banks then refuse to lend responsibly back to us? This is why i feel it was wrong to bail them out in the way that has been carried out. It is not the Banks the Government should have helped....some of them should have been left to flounder in their own greed....its the private buisnesses and individuals whose money should have been fully protected against a banks collapse. The Banks are taking the Bail out cash but are not accepting any responsibility for their actions...and no one is making them. Whilst this remains the case, nothing will change, because the same mistakes will occur again. Things cannot alter without change, and the banks and finnanicial institutions dont want change! As always it will be the "little man" in the Street who is left to shoulder the blame, the debt and the responsibility!

Best Regards - Taggy

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Taggy

I really do think that too much focus is being placed on individual debt....but then again, this is what the powers that be want us to do! The main problem has been the total greed, incompetance and irresponsibility of the Bankers and Fund Managers. They have not only encouraged individuals to borrow more than they could afford, but have put their own companies at risk by overvaluing assets and order books in order to finance a corrupt bonus system, built purely on short term gains. Why should the Government lend to the banks, if these banks then refuse to lend responsibly back to us? This is why i feel it was wrong to bail them out in the way that has been carried out. It is not the Banks the Government should have helped....some of them should have been left to flounder in their own greed....its the private buisnesses and individuals whose money should have been fully protected against a banks collapse. The Banks are taking the Bail out cash but are not accepting any responsibility for their actions...and no one is making them. Whilst this remains the case, nothing will change, because the same mistakes will occur again. Things cannot alter without change, and the banks and finnanicial institutions dont want change! As always it will be the "little man" in the Street who is left to shoulder the blame, the debt and the responsibility!

Best Regards - Taggy

good post taggy spot on IMHO.

[MargaretR]

I am one of the 'silent suffering savers' who is losing out on interest.
Since my savings now supply peanuts interest, I have been busy spending
New washer and dishwasher this week

Yet the current problem is partly due to too few people saving - but there is no incentive to save now

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I am one of the 'silent suffering savers' who is losing out on interest.
Since my savings now supply peanuts interest, I have been busy spending
New washer and dishwasher this week

Yet the current problem is partly due to too few people saving - but there is no incentive to save now

Yes but now the cold weather payments have come through the pubs are kick starting the economy.
I didn't get one by the way.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Benipete

Yes but now the cold weather payments have come through the pubs are kick starting the economy.
I didn't get one by the way.

I'd write to your MP Beni

[Gordie]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

After watching David Cameron on the news tonight I am beginning to wonder if any of the politicians live in the real world. As we all know we are in a major recession but he decides to come to Manchester and start talking about getting people back into work
Don't get me wrong I am all for the "can't work won't work brigade" being dealt with but why in the middle of a recession do both parties decide they will try and tackle this issue? To me neither party knows which way to move to improve things so they try to deflect attention away from what is a serious issue. And why do they always come North to try and get the point across? Most of our major manufacturing jobs are long gone. Is unemployment not rife down South? It just riles me when they come North to try and make theirselves look as if they are trying to tackle an issue. Surely the "can't work won't work brigade" live all over the country but once again the Norths problems are high-lighted!!!!

A vast amount of people in the north are on one benefit or another so would Manchester not be as good a place to come than any.
Better talking about getting people back to work which is probably the most important single factor especially for citizens in any prosperous country than talking about European regional grant aid etc . Maggie bless her but she let many of the great industries go to the wall probably never to return to this nation again.Hopefully todays leaders in Britain are taking a leaf out of other western industrial nations books who realise that some of these major industries with the jobs that they create need help at times.Better to pump a few million into some struggling company`s with future prospects than let it go to the wall and pay long term unemployment benefits with all its knock on effects.