Don't bug me teacher, eating me breakfast. - Page 6

Lolly · 04-07-2008, 10:16

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Can't see how these kids can expect to be shown any respect when they show a clear disregard to the school rules. They know that they should be in school for 8.40 but decide to go and buy a butty. It is a clear case of "I will do as I please". The telling off will have gone completely over their heads because they just don't care!!!!

I agree Bernie. My point being if they dont care then why should the teachers care?

BERNADETTE · 04-07-2008, 10:21

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Originally Posted by Lolly

I agree Bernie. My point being if they dont care then why should the teachers care?

Maybe they are trying to help before it is to late, these kids sure as hell have no chance if/when they start work if they can't grasp the concept of punctuality!!!

jaysay · 04-07-2008, 10:30

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Maybe they are trying to help before it is to late, these kids sure as hell have no chance if/when they start work if they can't grasp the concept of punctuality!!!

Maybe they're practicing for a life on the dole like their parents Bernie

Gayle · 04-07-2008, 11:18

I read this story too and was disappointed by it. The woman in the butty shop said how will kids learn respect if they're shouted out in this way - I say "how will the kids learn respect for adults when they realise that some adults will let them get away with stuff".

Kids, young people, young adults, whatever you want to call them are more or less all out for an easy life - I know I was. Yes, there are some who work extra hard but the majority of teenagers try to get away with doing the minimum possible. How on earth will these people learn to work hard and respect authority if another adult shows them how to be even lazier.

Not impressed!!!!

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2008, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Lolly

My point being if they dont care then why should the teachers care?

I applaud the teachers for caring.

Margaret Pilkington · 04-07-2008, 11:53

Well, I am sorry if you feel my reaction was harsh......but these children are thumbing their nose at the authority that is given to the teachers...they are acting 'in loco parentis'......which means that parents would expect them to know where their child was, because it was after the starting time for school....How can the teacher be in charge of a child who isn't even in the school building?

If I had been that teacher i would have marched those children(for that is what they are) to the heads office.
If I were the headmaster I would have phoned each of those childrens parent and asked them to pick them up from the school.....and the children would have been sent home.
Children like these, disrupt the learning of the children who DO want to learn.(and those maybe YOUR children).

Someone has to draw the line somwhere.
Do you think this is a good attitude to be setting for pupils who will eventually be in the job market....would they be allowed to get away with such discourteous and laksadaisical ways in commerce or industry.
The teacher was right to do what he/she did....and was maybe dispatched to the shop by the head teacher.

katex · 04-07-2008, 14:19

We all bemoan the fact that local shopkeepers are a dying breed, but the ones that are there usually take an interest in the people around them and their daily routine.

No, am not saying was her responsiblity, however, she felt offended and did the correct thing by ringing the school, and appears to have received the courtesy of a reply. What annoyed me was her comments in the Observer and saying she would pull her child out of that school if he/she went there. Also, looks as if she may have rung the Observer with this 'story' and, if not, think she should have refused to comment in this way. Bet the kids are having a field day with this one.

Can only hope that the letters that may have been sent to their parents were actioned on and that the kids received a bollicking. Maybe they will, sure not all four sets of parents would endorse their children being late. I would also have rung the school to say I had dealt with it, and to thank the teacher for her vigilance.

Tin Monkey · 04-07-2008, 14:54

I've just looked at the picture of the cafe owner on the Observer website and she's exactly as I imagined. Totally chavtastic!

yerself · 04-07-2008, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

I've just looked at the picture of the cafe owner on the Observer website and she's exactly as I imagined. Totally chavtastic!

Doesn't look she's averse to the odd full English breakfast or a bacon, sausage and egg barm now and then.

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2008, 15:13

School begins at 8:40. They were in the shop at 8:50. The classes had already started. Yet the shop owner says "If those children were mine I’d be pulling them out of that school." She obviously cannot see that being persistently late for lessons is a serious problem. If her children went to that school she should be thankful that the teachers care enough to actually want them to be in their classes.

cashman · 04-07-2008, 15:23

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

School begins at 8:40. They were in the shop at 8:50. The classes had already started. Yet the shop owner says "If those children were mine I’d be pulling them out of that school." She obviously cannot see that being persistently late for lessons is a serious problem. If her children went to that school she should be thankful that the teachers care enough to actually want them to be in their classes.

thats what mercenary chavs do willow, n fer me respect is not a gift,its earned, i suggest the teachers have earned it by passing exams to attain that position, theres good n bad teachers always was, same as theres good n bad kids, i suggest that a kid earns respect - not by being the brightest lamp in the street, but by trying their best at school, what respect are these "Butty Shop" brats due? they had a total disregard fer school rules by being there at that time.like i said at the begining, respect has to be earned.

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2008, 15:41

Well it's one shop I know I'll be avoiding in future.

jambutty · 04-07-2008, 15:56

Actually Jae Swift has a point.

When I was at school, albeit a long while ago, we had two or even three teachers who were specialists in a particular subject and knew it thoroughly. But s/he was not restricted to that subject and could teach other subjects with varying degrees of ability. However the specialist teacher would teach that subject to all classes of all years.

Any “clever clogs” in the class couldn’t baffle the teacher because the teacher always knew more than the pupil and thus gained the class’ respect. But there always have been and always will be some teachers who just cannot catch and hold the pupil’s interest. A disinterested pupil is a bored pupil and a bored pupil is likely to be a disruptive pupil.

The other side of that coin became evident during my first 12 months in the navy. We had instructor lieutenants who boffed up on the next days teaching the night before. Their tuition was not very good and it was up to the CPO teaching the practical side to get us to understand what the instructor lieutenant tried to teach.

There is nothing worse than being taught by someone who doesn’t really know their subject.

This respect thing starts in the home and should be reinforced in the first school. But then there is the disruptive element, where the teachers cannot or are not allowed to quash. By the time that the kids get to secondary school the rotten apple in the barrel has tainted other pupils.

As for the butty shop – well it’s none of the school’s business who buys what and when. The teacher who stormed in the shop was out of order. She/he should have been in school doing his/her job and not actiung like some avenging Truant Officer. A schools’ responsibility starts and ends at the school gate.

shakermaker · 04-07-2008, 16:13

Accrington is a terrifically boring place isn't it. How this got in the paper at all is a mystery.

The shopkeeper in this story shouldn't be burdened with the obligation to do the job of the school and the students' parents, i.e. to exercise good teaching and sensible discipline that helps students to know that turning up to school on time is the right thing. Of course not all will make the right choice but there's a clear view from the students that it isn't at all necessary to turn up at school on time.

The school is obviously an institution geared up for failure on every front.

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2008, 16:23

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Originally Posted by jambutty

As for the butty shop – well it’s none of the school’s business who buys what and when. The teacher who stormed in the shop was out of order. She/he should have been in school doing his/her job and not actiung like some avenging Truant Officer. A schools’ responsibility starts and ends at the school gate.

Doesn't the school's responsibility start when the school day starts? Perhaps it is part of the teacher's duty to track down elusive pupils who should have been in school at that time of day. Why do you use the word "avenging" to describe a truant officer? Aren't they just doing their job and ensuring that children are where they should be? What would you suggest a truant officer should do if they find schoolchildren in a butty shop when they should be in school?

I don't know who the particular teacher was but I do know that some teachers (head/deputy head/head of year etc) have far more responsibilities than simply teaching lessons.