Don't bug me teacher, eating me breakfast.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by Neil

There you go, have a read of this ( or is it that? I was not good at English )

Much obliged but I have never claimed to know everything. Not being directly involved with the education of young children this one passed me by.

However it does refer to “regular non-attendance” and not just a one off, which your statement in light of the discussion, implied.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

. I would like to hear the teacher's version of events.

Me too Willow...as I have noted.....a very subjective and one sided report.
Not top class journalism is it?

[Margaret Pilkington]

[
However it does refer to “regular non-attendance” and not just a one off, which your statement in light of the discussion, implied.[/quote]

We have no criteria to judge whether these pupils were persistent offenders or not. You are making assumptions.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by jambutty

It was reported that the teacher angrily barged into the shop and demanded that the pupils get to school immediately.

'It was reported' - but only second hand. The newspaper reporter did not witness the event but merely reported heresay which was obtained from the shop owner. It would never stand up in a court of law (just ask Blazey - she'll tell you.)

IMO the teacher had every right to be dischuffed with the pupils.

Originally Posted by katex

Actually, Willow, if you remember, they delegated this job, in the main, to the prefects, which were also well respected ... LOL.

Yes indeed. Those were the good old days when it was an honour to be a prefect. We wore our badges with pride.

Originally Posted by jambutty

Much obliged but I have never claimed to know everything. Not being directly involved with the education of young children this one passed me by.

Some of us on the other hand are directly involved in education either as teachers or school governors or even spouse of the aforementioned and we do tend to know a teeny bit about it.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

We only have the proprietors word for what went on in regard to the teachers attitude...so I think it is hard to judge whether or not she was spitting fire and brimstone.
After all the story would not have been anywhere near as sensational(if you can call it that, but obviously, by Observer terms it was)if the report had stated that the teacher walked in and calmly frog-marched the offending pupils back to school.......the proprietors report is subjective......and worded to give best publicity. Stunt seems to have had the desired effect.

And Jambutty, it seems that most parents these days do have mobile phones, though we cannot say all......a text message is sent and logged......and if there is no response then a call is made to a landline number...if one is available.

I am sure that most parents do have a mobile phone but if they are at work the chances are that it has to be switched off. I also know plenty of people who have dumped their landline as an economy measure because they have a mobile phone each and the kids.

But you are all skirting round the real issue here. And that is that it was reported that a teacher barged angrily into a butty shop close to the school and demanded that the pupils from that school who were being served, depart for the school immediately.

Whether the report was accurate or not is not the issue, nor I would add is the issue of whether the shopkeeper should be serving pupils of a nearby school after the time that they should be in that school.

That teacher overstepped his/her authority as well as setting a bad example to those pupils and that teacher should be censured for doing so. Some correspondents agree with that view and some do not and ne’r the twain shall meet.

I’m off to toast three crumpets liberally spread with best butter and Lemon Curd.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by jambutty

But you are all skirting round the real issue here. And that is that it was reported that a teacher barged angrily into a butty shop close to the school and demanded that the pupils from that school who were being served, depart for the school immediately.

Reported by someone with an axe to grind and written about by someone who wasn't actually there - and we are not skirting round that. The reporting left a lot to be desired as has been said by more than one person here.

Originally Posted by jambutty

Whether the report was accurate or not is not the issue, nor I would add is the issue of whether the shopkeeper should be serving pupils of a nearby school after the time that they should be in that school.

Of course the accuracy of the report is relevant. Everything else hangs on whether or not the report was accurate. If the teacher calmly walked into the shop and informed the pupils they were late for school and told them to hurry up and get there that is a world away from ranting and raving at them.

Originally Posted by jambutty

That teacher overstepped his/her authority as well as setting a bad example to those pupils and that teacher should be censured for doing so. Some correspondents agree with that view and some do not and ne’r the twain shall meet.
.

No, the teacher did not overstep his/her authority. And as for setting a bad example I am totally gobsmacked at that. How can getting the pupils to school where they ought to be be considered setting a bad example? Is it setting a good example to encourage them to play truant?

Enjoy your crumpets.

[hedman2003]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I am sure that most parents do have a mobile phone but if they are at work the chances are that it has to be switched off. I also know plenty of people who have dumped their landline as an economy measure because they have a mobile phone each and the kids.

But you are all skirting round the real issue here. And that is that it was reported that a teacher barged angrily into a butty shop close to the school and demanded that the pupils from that school who were being served, depart for the school immediately.

Whether the report was accurate or not is not the issue, nor I would add is the issue of whether the shopkeeper should be serving pupils of a nearby school after the time that they should be in that school.

That teacher overstepped his/her authority as well as setting a bad example to those pupils and that teacher should be censured for doing so. Some correspondents agree with that view and some do not and ne’r the twain shall meet.

I’m off to toast three crumpets liberally spread with best butter and Lemon Curd.

I hope this is tongue in cheek otherwise I couldn't disagree with you more, the Teacher had some passion and it's a shame the pupils didn't have the same drive and determination to get into school.

How should she have addressed the pupils "excuse me ladies and gentlemen I'm sorry to dirupt your breakfast time but would you mind at your convienience coming into the centre of learning as all your friends and teachers are waiting for you." Oh and thank you mrs Shopkeeper for looking after our wonderful disciplined pupils in your eatery."

The Teacher should be commended it's a shame there aren'y more people in our communities who know the difference between right and wrong

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

...but he had a fine Welsh singing voice. I know because he sat behind me in church.

Incidentally his wife taught me when I was six, as well as also being my Sunday scholl teacher. As fine a Christian woman as her husband, and a socialist to boot. I had many interesting conversations with her about politics as an adult.

When I lived in London I was also in a quiz team with their granddaughter, a doctor, who is a fine a young woman as her grandmother.

Small world ain't it .... I enjoyed Chemistry with Mr. Owen, a superb teacher, altho' like the rest of the class, I couldn't hold back the laughs when he said "Avogadro's hypothesis" in his beautiful Welsh accent .... I knew his son who was in the same year as I was.

[Margaret Pilkington]

As Willow and others have rightly observed...everything hangs on the report or we wouldn't even be discussing it.
Last word.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Reported by someone with an axe to grind and written about by someone who wasn't actually there - and we are not skirting round that. The reporting left a lot to be desired as has been said by more than one person here.Of course the accuracy of the report is relevant. Everything else hangs on whether or not the report was accurate. If the teacher calmly walked into the shop and informed the pupils they were late for school and told them to hurry up and get there that is a world away from ranting and raving at them.

No, the teacher did not overstep his/her authority. And as for setting a bad example I am totally gobsmacked at that. How can getting the pupils to school where they ought to be be considered setting a bad example? Is it setting a good example to encourage them to play truant?

Enjoy your crumpets.

I don’t know about anyone else but I can only comment on what I read and don’t bring issues into it that cannot be confirmed.

Can you establish that someone had an axe to grind and who was it? How do you know that the reporting left a lot to be desired? Just because more than one person said so, does that make it true? Were you there and privy to what actually happened? I think that 4 “noes” are due there.

Precisely and you and others are just assuming that it was not and not accepting it at face value.But that is a supposition of what should have happened and is tantamount to agreeing that the real event was wrong.

The teacher’s bad example was trying to bully the pupils into leaving the shop and going to school. In effect the teacher was saying, “If you shout and demand you will get.”

An irrelevant statement.

The crumpets were delicious thank you. The only problem was the melted butter dribbling down the front of the chin.

[yerself]

Originally Posted by Jambutty

If you go in spitting fire and brimstone don’t be surprised if that’s what you get back.

Originally Posted by Jambutty

But you are nit picking

You want to take a close look at yourself Mr. Sandwich. I think the only way to avoid reading the outpourings of this geriatric is to add him to the ignore list like Tin Monkey apparently has.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Me too Willow...as I have noted.....a very subjective and one sided report.
Not top class journalism is it?

I don’t suppose that it had occurred to anyone that the teacher might have refused to make a statement or was prevented from doing so by the head?

Once again you are making assumptions and hanging your case on them. Not very good debating is it?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jambutty

The only problem was the melted butter dribbling down the front of the chin.

I'm sure we'll all imagine you dribbling as you type from now on.

If school had started, the teacher had every right to rebuke them. Their parents probably assume they are already in their care.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I can only comment on what I read and don’t bring issues into it that cannot be confirmed.

And that is the whole point. NONE of it can be confirmed. It is a totally biased one sided story which does no-one any favours, least of all the butty shop owner.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

It is a totally biased one sided story which does no-one any favours, least of all the butty shop owner.

...who's probably peeved because she lost the money on five sausage and egg sandwiches.