East Accrington/phoenix projects... - Page 3

cashman · 30-04-2005, 09:56

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Originally Posted by entwisi

It will be compulsory purcahase, Heres 50%(if your lucky) of the value of you house now move along without a fuss there..

Oh, you can't afford anywhere to live, tough!

Do we have a full list of the streets involved? I have relatives in that area and up to now it was only thought to be an investigation. If things have been decided then I need to let people know.

Ian

there was a meeting or open day call it what you will on thurs at the building corner of college st,the lady i mentioned was there,there are 2 options she was told but both would happen in next 5 years,both included her house.my missus was told to e-mail HBC bout 3 weeks ago by a gent at a prior meeting,she was told the information will be sent right away if she did this STILL WAITING for it.

WillowTheWhisp · 30-04-2005, 10:03

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Originally Posted by entwisi

it is teh landlords responsibility as I understand it to maintain teh property. That is why you pay rent. Its liek a tele, if you rent it and it breaks they fix or replace it.

The problem seems to be "unofficial landlords" (somebody just buys an extra house and then rents it out to whoever) who don't give a hoot about maintaining property. The house next to me has been owned by various different "landlords" and rented out to various different tennants some of whom have looked after it and some of whom have trashed it. At one stage the back wall was falling down and a real danger to anyone passing but the owner didn't want to do anything about it. There develops a sort of apathy where the landlord doesn't want to do anything because the tennants won't care for the property and the tennants won't care for the property because the landlords won't do repairs.

It should be possible for the council to force them to do the necessary repairs and to have the ability to evict the tennants who don't look after it.

Or maybe all rented property needs to be "vetted" and all landlords have to be licenced or something. It only takes one "dump" to start the ball rolling and before you know it whole areas have gone downhill.

park381 · 30-04-2005, 10:27

HBC do run a scheme for vetting private landlords but it's voluntary they need to come forward and register
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...pages/hals.asp
Perhaps would be a lot better if HBC could enforce the scheme to ensure all private landlords were registered, but that could be in the future from reading the information.

Mick · 01-05-2005, 09:36

Well they are getting on with it i took these pics of what used to be PEARL st last night on the way to the stag ...

Busman747 · 01-05-2005, 22:02

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Originally Posted by mick

Well they are getting on with it i took these pics of what used to be PEARL st last night on the way to the stag ...

Sorry to dissapoint you Mick...but that COULD be just fly-tipping from the travellers.. (only joking, honest gov)

Mick · 02-05-2005, 09:35

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Originally Posted by Busman747

Sorry to dissapoint you Mick...but that COULD be just fly-tipping from the travellers.. (only joking, honest gov)

I would agree with you Busman but they were moved on about 3 weeks ago

park381 · 20-05-2005, 19:57

Had to post this. Anyone watch the Trevor McDonald programme to-night straight after Cori st. The task to refurbish a terraced house in Liverpool on a budget of £18,000 which was the cost of demolishing it later in the year. The results of the refurbishment carried out in 4 weeks was stunning to say the least, the project went a little over budget and finished at £24,3++. I think the whole programme should be burnt to CD and copies sent to all councils that are planning to demolish terraced houses, saying "think again before you act" The show presenter visited the housing minister with photos of the refurbished property, the reply was oh we have asked local authorities to look at refurbishment before demolishing property.

Don't think HBC have been informed of that fact.

lindsay ormerod · 20-05-2005, 20:31

Sadly even if HBC had been informed of it they would have a] ignored the info b]not understood it or c] carried on regardless. We are dealing with a different species here and they do not understand reason,logic,common sense or economy!

cashman · 20-05-2005, 20:37

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Originally Posted by cashman

there was a meeting or open day call it what you will on thurs at the building corner of college st,the lady i mentioned was there,there are 2 options she was told but both would happen in next 5 years,both included her house.my missus was told to e-mail HBC bout 3 weeks ago by a gent at a prior meeting,she was told the information will be sent right away if she did this STILL WAITING for it.

watched the same prog as park and agree entirely,by the way we are STILL WAITING for the(SENT RIGHT AWAY INFO).

park381 · 20-05-2005, 21:19

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod

Sadly even if HBC had been informed of it they would have a] ignored the info b]not understood it or c] carried on regardless. We are dealing with a different species here and they do not understand reason,logic,common sense or economy!

I accept your point linsay, but this programme was not just about HBC it was a nationwide thing showing the plight of the many thousands of families who's home are due for demolition at the govs instruction, regeneration they call it, I call it destroying local communities, communities that have been in existance for many years. The programme producers deserve a medal for highlighting the problem on national TV. All it needs is designers with a little flair, the houses no matter how long they have been empty, could be upgraded to meet all current regulations etc, at a portion of the cost of demolition and rebuild. Thus saving the gov, and us tax payers a vast sum of money

Graham Jones · 21-05-2005, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

What I do find peculiar is that they are knocking down houses in Accy while the town recorded the second largest increase in house prices (41% year on year to march) in England, and I think the 6th in the UK as a whole (that is according to the Halifax house price survey, the most authoritive of its kind)

This entire scheme is just one more crackpot idea from that blustering, incompetent nincompoop who goes under the title of Deputy Prime Minister.

You have my sincere sympathies, Mani.

Price rises reflect all house types, however some house types have risen little and no matter how much they go up they are low demand. There are 33,000 households and 35,000 houses. The last survey had 1900 empties. In theory prices should go down but the housing market is linked to other markets, particularly the stock market, most acutely through the buy to let market.

Graham Jones · 21-05-2005, 18:33

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Originally Posted by mani

see one other thing i dont understand is this

the govt want to lower the costs of buying a house.

yet if they're makin less houses than they're knocking down how is this meant to help the prob?
some of hte regeneration plans include takin two houses and makin them into one. what happens to one of hte families?

does anyone know a time scale of this? on the boards it did say 5 yrs but i think its gonna b alot harder to pull this off.

Hi Mani. Yes lower the cost of housing in the south because price rises have priced so many out of a home. In Hyndburn there are 33,000 households and 35,000 properties. Of that 60% are terraced and demand at the bottom end exists most of the 2000 empties. A hundred or so are Council Houses but all other types are in greater demand than supply, so the market is skewed. It is anticipated that ELEVATE will take out several thousand terraced houses and replace them with in demand housing to lower the costs of those, primarlily semis and bungalows. There is also a major affordable housing issue.

2 into 1s have not happened yet. There are all sorts of regen ideas that will be used but not as yet. Project Phoenix is the only demolition occuring at the moment. Displaced residents are in a good position as they are receiving their house price plus a sizeable relocation grant. The scheme is 15 years.

Graham Jones · 21-05-2005, 18:37

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Originally Posted by chav1

i heard through the grapevine that some people were only getting as little as £3000 for their houses from the council to make way for this project

i may be wrong on the figures but there was an uproar in the telegraph a while back about how little people were getting in the area near where wrist wires was and blackburn road

no one should be forced out of their home its just damn wrong especialy when it is only to make somone money at another person expense

why these people cant dig into the green belt areas like travelers can i have no idea

if theres no room to build then tough luck is how the rule should be

not force people on to the streets

Those figures are wholly innacurate in all the cases I am aware of. Whilst it is suggested no one should be forced out people are in fact better off with whats on offer to move. Unfortunately poor housing has to be cleared in most cases. Options should as refurb are lalways looked.

Graham Jones · 21-05-2005, 18:39

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Some demolition has already taken place in the phase 1 area. Saw bulldozers round there this week.

Is there any provision to rehouse people? £3,000 won't buy much.

Most people are walking away with £50-£60k for a £20k house.

Graham Jones · 21-05-2005, 18:44

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Originally Posted by park381

Don't know about phoenix phase 2, there's no mention of that on the HBC web site but that's not surprising since nothing on HBC web site is up to date. It all smacks of the late 60's early 70's where good houses were demolished to make way for those tower blocks, another Architects dream. If they are prepared to pay for the houses so they can demolish, why can that money not be put towards refurbishing those houses, its got to be a cheaper option than demolish and rebuild. Why destroy communities that have been there for many years.

West Accrington Residents Association would have you strung from the nearest land post for suggesting that Lonsdale Street ++ should stay up. They have worked for 10 years to have it flattened. Concerns over developers always exist. Supposedly CABE are now involved at the behest of the ODPM to make sure Councils dont return to 60's and 70's developments. Average refurbs are £30k-£40k done properly to last 30 years as is usually the aim. And the houses aren't wanted so refurbs are questionable in these circumstances.