East Accrington/phoenix projects... - Page 7

Graham Jones · 24-05-2005, 05:02

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Originally Posted by entwisi

It doesn't reduce the cosy of the house, only making it so that they can have part ownership in one. And who owns the other bits, Banks and the goverment. Who would benefit from house prices rising? Oh yep, Banks and the goverment. You also have to pay rental on the portion you don't own.

I agree, there is a problem with doing it this way but this government is keen to see private sector solutions for always, supported by public money.

The case still stands as Chav said, this wont put pressure on house prices to fall, quite the opposite. Prices will only come down if supply is increased. The stock market becomes more confident and investing in business's is made more lucrative than property. That the increased supply of houses is fixed at a low cost [ie not for profit Housing Association houses at part rent part buy] to maximise pressure on speculators and the market. The rent bit is important because rents are calcualted over the lifetime of the property and therefore much much more affordable, are therefore fixed to the actual build cost and do not sufer from market fluctuations and speculation. ie rise exponentially

Graham Jones · 24-05-2005, 05:10

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Originally Posted by park381

A good example of proposed housing refurbishment in Manchester http://www.urbansplash.co.uk/us.php - go to "in the pipeline" Gt. Manchester - Langworthy

I agree, these regeneration ideas are very important in Accy because we have a historic past that should be increasingly attractive as the years got by to visitors.

So its important to keep as much as what we have and regenerate the existing. A lot of excting schemes as has been mentioned by other posters will come through eventually. I would like to see them come through quicker but I dont make those kind of decisions [trying not to be political here!!]. Loft conversions, rear garages, refits and refurbs, extensions, redesigns, 2 into 1s, back yard clearances, street scaping etc...

Graham Jones · 24-05-2005, 05:21

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Originally Posted by park381

Looks like the phoenix project has started, went past Antley this morning, large signs up and several United Utilites vans there.

Wonder how much the demolition contractor will sell the dressed stone and roof slates for

This should be being addressed. Firstly as part of the tendering process for demolition, the Council reduces costs by including salvage in the contract. Slates, stone etc... One question that hasnt been fully answwerd is the recycling of those materials. I suspect we, or the building contrators will buy back these at market prices and not demolition prices. I would like to see them accounted for reused to help keep Accrington what it is, an historic town.

The demolition has accelerated for 2 reasons. One Nigel Rix is no longer with us. Two BwD are far more business, legally minded and have expertise in getting the job done more efficiently.

Just on a point above. I was wrong. The MSD is owned wholly by ABL [Accrington Broadway Ltd], part of the Jack Walker Foundation Trust and HBC does not have share either in the MSD or ABL. However it has all the Peel street units on a long lease at a peppercorn rent [to re-rent on] and owns all of the market and pavillions. The cost of this package was paid for by ginving the land the old market stood on to ABL/TJWFT at a total value of £1.3m. It seems a low valuation for that site. I still cant figure out how we were part of the development process when it was not our development once terms had been agreed.

Acrylic-bob · 25-05-2005, 04:58

It seems that critics of regeneration are not alone, according to The Times, the Prince of Wales is to give the Government a verbal slapping today....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...626669,00.html

I liked the bit about "business as usual with brass knobs on" It would be really funny if it wasn't so desperately true.

park381 · 25-05-2005, 06:52

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Originally Posted by Graham Jones

This should be being addressed. Firstly as part of the tendering process for demolition, the Council reduces costs by including salvage in the contract. Slates, stone etc... One question that hasnt been fully answwerd is the recycling of those materials. I suspect we, or the building contrators will buy back these at market prices and not demolition prices. I would like to see them accounted for reused to help keep Accrington what it is, an historic town.

I like that bit, thought it was normal that all spoils became the property of the contractor once he took possession of the site, unless written in to the contract. Think the last hyndburn will see of the cut stone etc. Is on the back of a waggon heading for yorkshire or somewhere. I remember a school being demolished in blackburn, all the stone disappeared over a weekend

park381 · 25-05-2005, 06:57

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

It seems that critics of regeneration are not alone, according to The Times, the Prince of Wales is to give the Government a verbal slapping today....

An excellent article a-b, very interesting reading

Mick · 20-06-2005, 06:36

Took these while i was walking round thought you might like to see what is going on with the PROJECT

park381 · 20-06-2005, 06:48

Very interesting Mick, is the shop shown in the 3rd pic the one HBC paid £70,000 for as per the article in the "Observer"

cashman · 20-06-2005, 08:19

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Originally Posted by cashman

there was a meeting or open day call it what you will on thurs at the building corner of college st,the lady i mentioned was there,there are 2 options she was told but both would happen in next 5 years,both included her house.my missus was told to e-mail HBC bout 3 weeks ago by a gent at a prior meeting,she was told the information will be sent right away if she did this STILL WAITING for it.

just for the record- this was posted in april- STILL NO INFORMATION forthcoming,but she would have it right away yawn yawn.

Mick · 20-06-2005, 09:08

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Originally Posted by park381

Very interesting Mick, is the shop shown in the 3rd pic the one HBC paid £70,000 for as per the article in the "Observer"

yes it is, we used to use the shop and he was a good bloke very helpfull

Acrylic-bob · 20-06-2005, 17:16

Excuse me chaps, but this is one that seems to have got past me. £70K for a derelict, terraced cornerer shop...in a clearance area???? Tell me more.

WillowTheWhisp · 20-06-2005, 17:45

It's only derelict because the council want to knock it down. ( As opposed to the council want to knock it down because it's derelict.)

park381 · 20-06-2005, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Excuse me chaps, but this is one that seems to have got past me. £70K for a derelict, terraced cornerer shop...in a clearance area???? Tell me more.

Afraid so a-b see page 15 in last weeks observer "Phoenix forces shop boss to close"

fireman · 20-06-2005, 19:31

Its sad that some pillock can sit in an office and make a decision like this that affects peoples lives in a very big way.

park381 · 20-06-2005, 20:41

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Originally Posted by fireman

Its sad that some pillock can sit in an office and make a decision like this that affects peoples lives in a very big way.

Aye, sat in an office in Westminster. This one is down to HM Gov. They are the ones handing out the "grants" to demolish property all over the country