East Lancashire decline - Page 2

Darby · 21-07-2004, 09:06

Well Kipax, I am entitled to my opinion and you to yours.

I was brought up in Accy...you were not.
I went to school in Accy....you did not. I got married in Accy...I don't know what you did.....My son was born in Accy and still lives there....My family still lives in Accy...I have hundreds of friends in Accy....I also visit Accy frequently...and I talk to ordinary Accy folk as well. I also use my eyes, ears, and senses to observe and remember, and compare it with over 60 years of experience.
I'm still an Accy lad!

And I don't know Accy people??

As I said: I have my opinion and you have yours...But please don't knock it, I am not knocking yours. At least I am trying to be objective...and not subjective, about Accrington ....and its people for whom I have great respect.

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 12:43

Lettie, what are ASBO's? Excuse my ignorance.

Ceejache · 21-07-2004, 15:05

Anti-Social Behavior Orders. Given through the courts to persistant nuisances.

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 15:33

Bloody hell! How long have they been around?

Bagpuss · 21-07-2004, 17:55

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

If you dont live here then how on earth can you possibly know if its in decline? You can look at the town and comment on what you see.. but you cant possibly know enough to comment on anything else... Thats directed at ALL people who dont live in the town. You certainly can't make statements about the people of accrington as you would ahve to be here now and meeting with them on a regular basis to be able to have such an informed opinion.

To say the people of accringtn are in decline from hundreds of miles away is a little off IMHO

Come on Kipax it's you who's wearing the rose coloured spectacles now. In my opinion the people who have moved away have made a good decision, the trouble is the people who are moving in don't give a toss about Accrington. The area I live in was excellent when I bought my house 10 years ago but since then property developers have snapped up the vacant properties and moved in DSS cases, this combined with the rising Asian comunity and the people who now have lost interest have now made the Peel Ward of Accrington a joke.

Ceejache · 21-07-2004, 18:25

Not sure how long John, but the number of them 'handed out' has risen sharply in the last year or so...either that or its just that more of them are seen in the local papers and such.

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 18:37

Are they making any kind of difference? Or, is the yob culture so ingrained now that nothing makes a difference.

accyplus · 21-07-2004, 18:40

Well said tealeaf could,t have put it better myself.

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 18:52

eeerm I wasnt knocking your opinion darby.. geeze man take a chil pill... I was merely questioning how you could make a comment that the people of accy have declined if you dont live here.. i directed it at anyone who doesnt live here... because you used to live here doesnt mean you know the people who are here now.

it was a simple observation.. you dont need to make an argument out of every post I make..

Anyone else who doesnt live here who is prepared to have a sensible debate and not an argument? my observation is directed at you instead... i dont really see how you can comment on the decline of accrington or the people if your not here to see the decline.. how do you know its in decline?

if anyone thinks that is argumentative r knocking your opinion then ...well... sigh

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 18:55

BAGPUSS

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DSS cases, this combined with the rising Asian comunity and

Are you sugegsting people on the DSS dont care about there home or town?

Acrylic-bob · 21-07-2004, 18:55

Spot on Bagpuss. West Accrington, is another case in point. During my childhood the area could never have been described as affluent, but it was always clean and tidy. Blackburn Road bustled with shops selling a bewildering range of goods all the way from Church to the centre of Accrington. It is hard to pinpoint the key event that tipped the area into steady decline, but what ever it was it began in the early 1970's. It may probably have been a combination of events. Certainly it was the opening of ASDA that sounded the death knell for many of the businesses along Blackburn Road, as it did for Accrington Market. The closure of companies like E.J. Riley, and the contraction of Howard and Bullough's together with the general decline of the textiles industry meant that people were forced to look further afield for work. this in turn led to people moving their homes too.

For the last thirty years, instead of being proactive in attracting high skill/high wage jobs to the area, HBC has been successful in attracting mainly those companies who require low skills and pay basic minimum wages. Thus driving the borough further down the road to decline. The last thirty years have been a challenging time for the country as a whole. But some boroughs have risen to that challenge and have met it head on with imagination and foresight. They, unlike Hyndburn, are now reaping the benefits.

It strikes me that the recent 30th birthday party was an unintentionally accurate portrayal of the state of the borough.

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 18:56

Well, it is subjective I know, but if you haven't been there for a while and you drive through the town and it looks run down compared to the last time you drove through, what conclusion are you likely to draw?

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 18:57

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It strike me that the recent 30th birthday party was an unintentionally accurate portrayal of the state of the borough.

Good one

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 19:01

JW I am not saying Accy isnt in decline.. I dont know for sure if it is.. you alls eem to pick areas that are but ignore areas that are not..

My point refers to the original question of the thread...which isnt is accy in decline.. its is it in more of a decline than other towns... I cant see how anyone can answer that properly.. I also dont see how someone who doesnt live here can even answer if hyndburn is in a bigger decline than anywhere else... its a BIG question.. are you talking about the look of the place? or the bigger picture?

lettie · 21-07-2004, 19:01

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Originally Posted by JohnW

Are they making any kind of difference? Or, is the yob culture so ingrained now that nothing makes a difference.

They have made a bit of a difference round where I live, as the main teenage perpetrators of the vandalism, fires and terrorising the elderly are now, not only under curfew, but have to attend school as part of the order. When I moved to this house 13 years ago, the area was lovely. As Bagpuss has already commented a lot of the houses have been bought up by the rental market. They rent the houses to yobs, and couldn't care less about the area, as long as they receive the rent money. Our neighbourhood formed a watch scheme, and shopped 3 teenage boys for the trouble. We were all being threatened, not just by them, but their parents, but we named names and stuck together and it has made a difference. Don't know what will happen when these ASBO's expire. This lot may be back with a vengence..