East Lancashire decline - Page 3

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 19:17

Thanks Lettie, that is interesting, but I suppose a lot of people would bow to the threats and let it slide. You and your neighbours are to be commended for being prepared to stand up and be counted. I certainly hope this does not come back to bite you in the butt, however, you can always report them again, they may see the light, or they just may move on to annoy someone else who isn't as strong as you and your neighbours have been.

Kipax, I suppose it is a big question and very difficult to answer. What I am trying to achieve in my own simple minded way, is for people to come up with ideas to make the place better. I suppose it doesn't matter if it's in decline more than anywhere else, but decline or not, there is obviously a lot of discontent with the way things are. So why don't we identify the main problems and see if we can't come up with some solutions. As you are obviously a long-term resident you will be aware of most of the shortcomings of the area. Why don't you start us off with a list of stuff you would like to see changed to make the place better? Obviously, these things, for the most part, are going to be community related. I don't think we would be able to help you if you said you wanted someone to spend 30 million quid to upgrade the town centre. Let's try to keep it simple and achievable.

Acrylic-bob · 21-07-2004, 19:21

With reference to yobbishness in general, I think our glorious leader put his thumb on part of the reason the other day when he identified the 'liberal, social consensus of the 1960's' as the root cause of many of the troubles that beset the country.

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 19:26

JW well you ahve now moved the goalposts considerably... Nothing wrong with that.. adapting

But I was answering the original question

If ts just a case of what can we do to make things betetr then it doesnt matter where you live does it...............consider the goalposts moved then

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 19:31

heres my list to make the town better

start of list

end of list

Like i said JW... your presuming everyone has a downer on the town... Personally i love it and being a realist and knowing like any other town its bound to have its problems... i think i would leave it as it is.....

Acrylic-bob · 21-07-2004, 19:31

Kipax are you misunderstanding JohnW's post on purpose?

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 19:32

eeerm.. i think i understand his post perfectly... what do you think i am missing.

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 19:32

A-B, What exactly did he mean by "the liberal social concensus on the 1960's"?

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 19:34

also why would i purposely missundertsnd it.. thats a rather childish thing to suggest

Doug · 21-07-2004, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

With reference to yobbishness in general, I think our glorious leader put his thumb on part of the reason the other day when he identified the 'liberal, social consensus of the 1960's' as the root cause of many of the troubles that beset the country.

Bol****s.....

Trying to run the country like the 51st state of America hasn’t help matters, but the main reason for our decline is just common poor old mismanagement and lack of leadership with in both local and central Government.

Liberal nanbys from the 60s, yes that’s right. There all now New Labour Politicians…..Just my opinion.

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 19:36

Kipax, I'm sorry you consider I have a downer on the town. I honestly do not. But, there are plenty of threads on this forum making complaints about what goes on in the town. I just want us all to try and address those problems. If you don't think there is anything to address, then your job here is done.

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 19:38

I didnt accuse you of having a downer on the town....sigh

at least i dont recall doing ? i said you presume everyone else has

Acrylic-bob · 21-07-2004, 19:42

JohnW. He was announcing a government five year plan to crack down on crime - Monday of this week I think - and cited the liberal, social consensus that came out of the sixties as something that the nation had had enough of. Basically he was referring to the raft of policy decisions across the whole range of government departments which have had far reaching effects. particularly those relating to law and order, where the rights of the offender are, more often than not, given precedence over the rights of the victim. In many ways he wanted to signal the end of the 'We have to try to understand them' culture. I don't think that he has the political courage or support to carry this to any logical sort of conclusion however. So we will have the usual round of half measures that are stalled in the Lords and are so watered down when they reach the magistrates that they are as good as useless.

KIPAX · 21-07-2004, 19:42

Is my point so difficult to miss? I am trying to say that the town isnt as bad as is being made out by many people... yes you see all the complaints... but.. hmm how do I put this..

If a goalkeeper spends 10 years at the top of his game and then makes one glaring gaff on telly... everyone will talk about that forever more and nothing about his ten years good service..

Well its a bit like that.. if theres somehting wrong in accy/hynbdburn then everyone will jump around complaining... but no one mentions the good things that in my humble opinion vastly outwieghs the bad thats talked about.. so the wrong picture is being painted to those that dont live here and those that cant see the good.

Yes? no ?

Acrylic-bob · 21-07-2004, 19:49

>>also why would i purposely missundertsnd it.. thats a rather childish thing to suggest <<

>>I didnt accuse you of having a downer on the town....sigh at least i dont recall doing ? i said you presume everyone else has <<

I have watched you pull this sort of stunt on other threads. It's not big and it's not clever.

JohnW · 21-07-2004, 19:52

Well "K," I have to wonder why you didn't specify any of these good things on the thread that was asking for just that over the past week. Anyway, why not give us a list of the things you consider good about Accrington/Hyndburn and we can then try to expand those qualities to the other posters on the site. Maybe there are some good things exclusive to the part of the town in which you reside. Let's try to spread 'em around.