Ed Miliband

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by skuta

Thanks, but it's totally expected that mainsteam "thinking" people would ridicule others with a different perspective.
They are only thinking the way they are supposed to think, living their lives by their imposed beliefs through carefully implanted perception.
Through my experience within the mass communication/Google Page Ranking business in L.A. I know the business of "managed perception". Look up Edward Bernays to find out about the methods employed to decieve and manipulate the masses.

Ya certainly looks like everythings in your head

[gynn]

Originally Posted by gynn

As a neutral, I have to say that he worries me. He reminds me of that boy with the lisp in the corner of the playground who struggled to make friends. He found it hard to live in the shadow of his handsome brother, who always had loads of girl friends, and he turned out to be the one who told teacher he saw us smoking behind the bike sheds. The class sneak.

Am I being unfair?

I posted the above a year ago.

One year on, what has changed?

In my opinion, absolutely nothing. He doesn't convince me. He is an embarrassment to the party. He is ineffective at PM questions, he is a million miles from being Prime Minister material, and he is a liability to a Labour party that otherwise just has to turn up to win the next election, given the putrid performance so far of Cameron, Clegg and Co.

Bring on David Miliband.

[gynn]

Just watched his speech, which was lapped up by the party faithful, thereby ensuring he'll be leader at least till after the next election.

The uncomfortable thing for me was that all the ills of the world were laid at the door of two years of Conservative led government. If he had been out of office for a decade, his arguments would have had some credibility.

But this was a man who only two years ago was a Cabinet Minister in a Government that had been in power for 13 years. Why weren't all these wonderful policies introduced then?

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by gynn

Just watched his speech, which was lapped up by the party faithful, thereby ensuring he'll be leader at least till after the next election.

The uncomfortable thing for me was that all the ills of the world were laid at the door of two years of Conservative led government. If he had been out of office for a decade, his arguments would have had some credibility.

But this was a man who only two years ago was a Cabinet Minister in a Government that had been in power for 13 years. Why weren't all these wonderful policies introduced then?

What wonderful policies

[gynn]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

What wonderful policies

Well, apprenticeships and er......er.........you are right! The only policies he mentioned were to undo everything the Tories have done in the past two years!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by gynn

Just watched his speech, which was lapped up by the party faithful, thereby ensuring he'll be leader at least till after the next election.

The uncomfortable thing for me was that all the ills of the world were laid at the door of two years of Conservative led government. If he had been out of office for a decade, his arguments would have had some credibility.

But this was a man who only two years ago was a Cabinet Minister in a Government that had been in power for 13 years. Why weren't all these wonderful policies introduced then?

Labour have always been a great government in opposition, the problems start when they have to actually stop talking and start doing, which doesn't happen, everything goes tits up.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Nobody seems to get it.......when in opposition, you have all the great ideas, you can promise wonderful things...it doesn't amount to anything because it isn't going to be put to the test.

The Labour government had 13 years to do all these marvellous things and they didn't do it.......and as for that hypocrite Ed Balls, telling us how to mend the economy.......I don't know where he gets the brass neck...it wouldn't need mending if they had not spent all the money.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Labour have always been a great government in opposition, the problems start when they have to actually stop talking and start doing, which doesn't happen, everything goes tits up.

They got us into this mess anyway - well Brown did!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Nobody seems to get it.......when in opposition, you have all the great ideas, you can promise wonderful things...it doesn't amount to anything because it isn't going to be put to the test..

A wonderful accurate summary. The first 5 words in particular.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Nobody seems to get it.......when in opposition, you have all the great ideas, you can promise wonderful things...it doesn't amount to anything because it isn't going to be put to the test.

The Labour government had 13 years to do all these marvellous things and they didn't do it.......and as for that hypocrite Ed Balls, telling us how to mend the economy.......I don't know where he gets the brass neck...it wouldn't need mending if they had not spent all the money.

Very good points - that's the way our system works, what more can be said? Why do we put up with it.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Labour have always been a great government in opposition, the problems start when they have to actually stop talking and start doing, which doesn't happen, everything goes tits up.

Change the first word to "politicians" and you're right!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Change the first word to "politicians" and you're right!

I used 1 party because Labour have never made a success of governing this country, but it is hard work always starting from a minus, unlike the incoming Labour government of 97 who inherited the best economic outlook ever record, and when they left office 13 years later they left a dogs breakfast and a note saying there's no money we've spent it all

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

but it is hard work always starting from a minus, unlike the incoming Labour government of 97 who inherited the best economic outlook ever record, and when they left office 13 years later they left a dogs breakfast and a note saying there's no money we've spent it all

Was that record an old 78 with a scratch?
The reason I ask is you keep playing it at every chance you can but never get past repeating the first couple of lines.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

Was that record an old 78 with a scratch?
The reason I ask is you keep playing it at every chance you can but never get past repeating the first couple of lines.

The first couple of lines says it all Less

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The first couple of lines says it all Less

Who was this group 'economical outlook' anyway? I've done a google and can't find a reference to anything they've recorded.