Ed Miliband - Page 9

garinda · 08-01-2012, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Yes Ed Miliband nice bloke.. maybe he has good policies but not a winner and not in fashion in todays politics..perhaps Garinda could make him a shirt that would blow away the right wing.

Had a phone call today, from a friend who lives abroad, but who has close ties to the Labour party hierarchy.

Don't know how true it is, but they said they've realised that as they are, Labour are pretty much unelectable, and they're considering becoming the anti-E.U. party, in order to become more appealing to the masses.

jaysay · 08-01-2012, 10:37

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Originally Posted by garinda

Had a phone call today, from a friend who lives abroad, but who has close ties to the Labour party hierarchy.

Don't know how true it is, but they said they've realised that as they are, Labour are pretty much unelectable, and they're considering becoming the anti-E.U. party, in order to become more appealing to the masses.

Not another meeting in a trendy restaurant, making deals about who rules and for how long, which in time will end in another Tony and Gordon syndrome

ToffeeGuy · 08-01-2012, 19:50

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Originally Posted by garinda

Had a phone call today, from a friend who lives abroad, but who has close ties to the Labour party hierarchy.

Don't know how true it is, but they said they've realised that as they are, Labour are pretty much unelectable, and they're considering becoming the anti-E.U. party, in order to become more appealing to the masses.

All parties go round in cycles and this is Labour's dip in form. After 13 years in government they ran out of energy and ideas. Unfortunately it will probably take another election defeat for them to become re-energised with fresh ideas to solve the country's problems. Luckily they have a few 'bright young things' coming through the ranks like Chuka Umunna and Rachel Reeves who can take on the mantle of the progressive left.

But becoming the anti-E.U. party would make them unelectable. The UK needs to be at the heart of Europe. On our own we would be unable to compete against the economic blocs of Indo-China and the Americas.

gynn · 08-01-2012, 21:21

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Originally Posted by garinda

Labour are pretty much unelectable, and they're considering becoming the anti-E.U. party, in order to become more appealing to the masses.

...as opposed to that staunch, pro-European, blindly-supporting-everything- Brussels-dreams-up party the Conservatives?

mmmm. just talk me through that one again.......

cashman · 08-01-2012, 21:28

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

But becoming the anti-E.U. party would make them unelectable. The UK needs to be at the heart of Europe. On our own we would be unable to compete against the economic blocs of Indo-China and the Americas.

I aint too sure about that, wouldn't put money either way on that un.

Margaret Pilkington · 08-01-2012, 21:54

other countries seem to manage without being in the EU.
I think the EU needs us much more that we need them.(in fact one of the German leaders said as much at a meeting in London recently - trying to smooth over the damage that President Sarcastic caused)
It is not a democratic organisation...it is corrupt, some member countries choose which regulations they will follow and those which would be detrimental to their own economies they flout, but nothing seems to happen to them.

The EU is a money pit...and if you want your taxes to be poured into it at the detriment of the British people, cart on.

All this 'we won't be able to compete in the big bad world' is scare mongering...that is what they(the politicians) want you to believe - then when their days are done in British politics they can follow the likes of Neil and Glenys Kinnock and jump on the EU gravy train.

GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!

Taggy · 08-01-2012, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

other countries seem to manage without being in the EU.
I think the EU needs us much more that we need them.(in fact one of the German leaders said as much at a meeting in London recently - trying to smooth over the damage that President Sarcastic caused)
It is not a democratic organisation...it is corrupt, some member countries choose which regulations they will follow and those which would be detrimental to their own economies they flout, but nothing seems to happen to them.

The EU is a money pit...and if you want your taxes to be poured into it at the detriment of the British people, cart on.

All this 'we won't be able to compete in the big bad world' is scare mongering...that is what they(the politicians) want you to believe - then when their days are done in British politics they can follow the likes of Neil and Glenys Kinnock and jump on the EU gravy train.

GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!

Two Words..........Spot On!!

Best Regards - Taggy

Wynonie Harris · 08-01-2012, 22:22

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

But becoming the anti-E.U. party would make them unelectable. The UK needs to be at the heart of Europe. On our own we would be unable to compete against the economic blocs of Indo-China and the Americas.

Indo-China? Since when did Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam constitute some sort of world beating economic bloc? However, assuming that you're getting a little confused and you mean India and China, I wasn't aware that these two countries had joined into some sort of bloc? Do they have a parliament somewhere where they send MPs? Does this parliament pass hundreds of rules and regulations which then override the laws of the respective countries? Does this "bloc" soak up billions and billions of taxpayers' money annually, yet squander it in such a wasteful and corrupt fashion that its own auditors refuse to pass its accounts year after year? Do these American "blocs" do the same? Are they gradually eroding the sovereignty of the countries of the North and South American continents?

In that case, why do WE need to belong to such an organisation?

ToffeeGuy · 08-01-2012, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

other countries seem to manage without being in the EU.
I think the EU needs us much more that we need them.(in fact one of the German leaders said as much at a meeting in London recently - trying to smooth over the damage that President Sarcastic caused)
It is not a democratic organisation...it is corrupt, some member countries choose which regulations they will follow and those which would be detrimental to their own economies they flout, but nothing seems to happen to them.

The EU is a money pit...and if you want your taxes to be poured into it at the detriment of the British people, cart on.

All this 'we won't be able to compete in the big bad world' is scare mongering...that is what they(the politicians) want you to believe - then when their days are done in British politics they can follow the likes of Neil and Glenys Kinnock and jump on the EU gravy train.

GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!

The problem is mixing up the EU with Europe. No doubt the EU needs reforming. But Britain needs to be in Europe to form strategic economic alliances with Germany and France to compete with the India-China emerging economies and the Americas.

cashman · 08-01-2012, 22:49

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

The problem is mixing up the EU with Europe. No doubt the EU needs reforming. But Britain needs to be in Europe to form strategic economic alliances with Germany and France to compete with the India-China emerging economies and the Americas.

Were we not in Europe before we joined the Common Market? Me geography must be slipping, weve always been in Europe. I think its utter tripe we need to be in, n i was one who initially thought we should join the damn thing.

Margaret Pilkington · 08-01-2012, 22:51

I don't get it........mixing the EU up with Europe????????

Isn't the EU europe........?
Britain is geographically an Island...not part of the European mainland.
And if Britain forms economic alliances with France and Germany, they will get screwed.
The current economy in France is slightly worse than ours.

The EU is howling for closer political and economic ties withEU members, it wants to be able to ratify budgets of member countries when the EU hasn't had a budget ratified for some 14 years. Hypocritical or what?

We will be giving further powers away to unelected bureaucrats who do not want Britain to succeed...and will do everything in their power to ensure that we are shackled. You want that do you????

GET US OUT NOW!

g jones · 08-01-2012, 23:51

The EU is run by an elected national body. The Council of Ministers. Our representative was elected in Britain, for Britain and sits in the Commons. Countries have the right of veto so it is not possible to be run from Brussels. The common market which everyone agrees provides jobs in order to work one set of rules. Less bureaucrats and less bureaucracy. 1 rule not 27.

It also defends citizens interests where weak countries and I include Britain are unable to. Israel, mobile phone charges, food and drink, large multinationals fear it etc... It's expansion causes me concern in terms of immigration particularly the new accession countries and also on green issues. It fails to deal with trade imbalences outside of the EU and is anti state intervention.

g jones · 09-01-2012, 00:05

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Not another meeting in a trendy restaurant, making deals about who rules and for how long, which in time will end in another Tony and Gordon syndrome

The belief is that we need to turn the page. Times have changed, dramatically. No one doubts we have a mountain to a climb. Ed is a great leader.

Chip paper makes for ideal chit chat amongst commentators. I don't think it is distracting the Parliamentary Labour Party or that anyone is worried at this stage. Ed's put a lot in behind the scenes. Remarkable person and tough. He doesn't bat an eyelid at the paper stuff. Just carries on with a clear purpose. It's hard because I don't just want to say "oh this is what is being said behind closed doors about ourselves (and the opposition) and this is what we are going to do in years 3 and 4 and 5." Thats for Ed to do but he has pretty much laid out in the clearest of terms to Labour MP's how we will approach the next election and how he plans for those years with the Labour Party. There is some evolving still going on. We have the policy reviews.

When you're on the inside knowing how clear and decisive Ed is in what he wants and how he has a clear plan, you can't take the outside media seriously.

gynn · 09-01-2012, 05:33

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Originally Posted by g jones

When you're on the inside knowing how clear and decisive Ed is in what he wants and how he has a clear plan, you can't take the outside media seriously.

But the problem is that Ed Miliband doesn't communicate his plans to the public via the "outside media".

They might be the clear and decisive, but if he gives the impression he is out of his depth, then he won't get the chance to put them into operation.

garinda · 09-01-2012, 06:03

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Originally Posted by g jones

The EU is run by an elected national body.

Not one British person has ever voted that we become members of the E.U.

It didn't even exist, as the body it is today, the last time people were allowed a say.

You, yourself said a referendum would settle our membership issues 'democratically', just two weeks before voting that we shouldn't be allowed that democratic right.

Why did you carry out this act of hypocrisy Graham?