EDL mayhem in Blackburn tomorrow - Page 6

SamF · 10-04-2011, 11:27

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

What is happening in the Ivory Coast is very interesting, civil war between Muslims and Christians, it WILL happen here unless action is taken NOW, wake up people.

Erm... England isn't exactly Christian, the majority of Atheist/Agonostic. Christianity is second Islam is third... when was the last time you went to church before you start shouting holy war.

cmonstanley · 10-04-2011, 12:07

we will find out after the results of the census

Bagpuss · 10-04-2011, 13:05

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Originally Posted by cashman

You need to wake up Baggy,yer dreaming that will "Never" happen here, the British have always been largely apathetic in peacetime, give em a war n yes there great.

I'm wide awake Cashy, ok maybe a full scale civil war won't happen but slowly Islam and it's followers are taking over. The numbers are rising just like the Ivory Coast so unless people like me let you know what's happening you will only hear what the government want you to hear.

The Ivory Coast is another example of the mainstream media completely hiding the real reasons for a conflict from the masses. I could be kind and say they're just stupid, or I could be correct and say they're terrified of what might happen when people know the truth. If you knew that the Ivory Coast in 1957 had about a 20% Muslim population and that today it is over 50%. If you then knew that the supposedly democratically elected new leader is Muslim while the old one is Christian, do you think those facts might be important? Have you heard that on the BBC?

And if anyone can find any mention of the Islam vs Christianity element of this civil war on the BBC, do let me know.

Bagpuss · 10-04-2011, 13:07

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Originally Posted by SamF

Erm... England isn't exactly Christian, the majority of Atheist/Agonostic. Christianity is second Islam is third... when was the last time you went to church before you start shouting holy war.

Are you happy at the way Islam is slowly taking over?

accyman · 10-04-2011, 13:38

bagpuss does have some valid points as i recall a top police officer doing an interview on tv a few years ago saying that despite employing muslim oficers to specificaly work with muslim communities in the bradford area some areas of bradford were unpoliceable because they had no regard for uk law and didnt recognise the police as an authority.

lets also not forget that our own local paper ran a story a few years ago where the autorities had tried to do a clampdown on traffic violations on blackburn road and admitted that they just couldnt enforce the rules and gave up trying due to lack of co-operation,inability to track vehicle owners down and fixed penalty notices just torn off teh windscreen and thrown onto the floor ignored

its not as bad as whats happned in bradford but if you can tell me the blackburn road problem has been sorted which comes up on this site over and over again then fair enough.

its not a case of teh people of the uk not wanting them here its a case that a lot of the muslim comunities want no part of the uk and do not want to fit in but rather we give up our ways and traditions to accomodate them

Restless · 10-04-2011, 14:48

despite any 'truth' the edl may have when you watch videos of them for the most part you see skinheads with very low intelligence

accyman · 10-04-2011, 15:22

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Originally Posted by Restless

despite any 'truth' the edl may have when you watch videos of them for the most part you see skinheads with very low intelligence

if i wanted to discredit the EDL i would only post videos up on youtube of the thickos as well should i ever choose to.I doubt those videos were out up by the more intlelligent members to get their concerns aired

Bagpuss · 10-04-2011, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Restless

despite any 'truth' the edl may have when you watch videos of them for the most part you see skinheads with very low intelligence

Tut tut tut, so if you have a very short hair cut you have a low IQ. Using that statement people with lots of hair have a high IQ. Utter rubbish so I won't use any examples.

DaveinGermany · 10-04-2011, 15:43

The EDL aren't a political party so their protests & shouting can't bring about anything in a political sense, but they are rather loud & prominent in their presence. I feel that a lot of what they say is privately held to be true by many less vociferous proponents (for whatever reasons), but this "agreement" is tempered by the view that the bulk of EDL supporters are white, workingclass, poorly educated, football hooligans or ex BNP supporters.

The EDL claim of being multiracial & all encompassing, non discriminatory (sexually or racially) with the stated aim of preventing the creep of Islam & its associated tenets across the UK, while sounding reasonable doesn't really appear that way when viewing the supporters seen at such demonstrations, (I refer here purely to colour as at a glance you can't really make out someones sexual orientation in most cases) admittedly a Sikh chap is frequently mentioned but that appears to be all, not many Asian faces can be seen within the EDL ranks at these rallies.

Having said that though, because of the obvious support overt & covert for the EDL, plus the self claimed increase in new supporters allegedly swelling their ranks, isn't it time for politicians to seriously look at the issues & insist on a more vocal & open debate with the parties concerned to show unity & highlight just what is expected & meant by tolerance, integration & acceptance, these goals should be mutual to improve cohesion within communities & the wider UK, respect is a 2 way street & all sides need to partake & make concessions where applicable.

But & it's a big but, the UK's sovereignty & statutes should be the overriding denominator in all things, this is the UK when all is said & done so all British citizens & guests should abide & adhere to her laws & rules when in residence within her shores. For those not fortune enough to be born within this sceptred Isle or her dominions, you chose her because of her liberal attitudes, right to freedom, graciousness & bounty, so accept them & do not try to enforce change on her & her people, parallel societies are divisive ! Should you wish to live by "your ways & morals" she is not for you, so go where such ways are practised & may you find happiness in your choice.

Restless · 10-04-2011, 19:05

I keep my hair relatively short these days so perhaps I have lost a few brain cells along with the loss of my long hair

I doubt this guy in this video is of the 'peaceful punk' variety of skinheads

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

Tut tut tut, so if you have a very short hair cut you have a low IQ. Using that statement people with lots of hair have a high IQ. Utter rubbish so I won't use any examples.

maccawozzagod · 10-04-2011, 19:31

I can't be arsed to read all through the posts and join in with a political argument that has no real conclusion, I'd just like to add that I'd solve many problems by doing with translators.

If you can't speak English then you shouldn't be here claiming our benefits or using our judicial system, or sitting in our doctors waiting rooms. It fair irks me sitting in an NHS outlet and nearly all the posters are in foreign language.

Boeing Guy · 10-04-2011, 19:35

Not too sure about the 50% + Muslims in Côte d'Ivoire, that's how they like it to be called.

Its been a bit of a hot bed for years, I have been turned away whist in the air Twice and once had a bodyguard for me while I did the walkround of the aircraft.

Found this bit about the religion down there, sounds quite reasonable to me:
Muslim 38.6%, Christian 32.8%, indigenous 11.9%, none 16.7% (2008 est.)
note: the majority of foreigners (migratory workers) are Muslim (70%) and Christian (20%)

Also the results of the General Election down there is here:
Alassane OUATTARA elected president; percent of vote - Alassane OUATTARA 54.1%, Laurent GBAGBO 45.9%; note - President OUATTARA was declared winner by the election commission and took the oath of office on 4 December, Prime Minister SORO resigned from the incumbent administration and was subsequently appointed to the same position by OUATTARA; former president GBAGBO refused to cede and on 5 December appointed Gilbert Marie N'GBO AKE as Prime Minister

These dictators are rather hard to get rid of.

Mancie · 10-04-2011, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

Tut tut tut, so if you have a very short hair cut you have a low IQ. Using that statement people with lots of hair have a high IQ. Utter rubbish so I won't use any examples.

Come on be honest.. the EDL do come across as idiots.
This EDL bloke is complaining about mosques not being built in Mecca..it's a good laugh

Restless · 10-04-2011, 19:41

Religion in the uk 2001

Christianity 71.8%
islam 2.8%
none 15.1%

I doubt it has changed all that much in 10 years

edit: Before I am named 'muslim sympathiser' again..... iam of the 15.1%

Bagpuss · 10-04-2011, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Not too sure about the 50% + Muslims in Côte d'Ivoire, that's how they like it to be called.

Muslim 38.6%, Christian 32.8%, indigenous 11.9%, none 16.7% (2008 est.)
note: the majority of foreigners (migratory workers) are Muslim (70%) and Christian (20%)

Reading up on it there is lot more to the Ivory Coast, so I will leave it for now but those foreign workers where allowed to vote and are included in the real figures for religion hense the 50%+.