EDL mayhem in Blackburn tomorrow

[SamF]

Originally Posted by Bagpuss

Sam F, i've decided to ignore you because I think you are a troll.

Because I quoted you ? Seriously the thinly veiled racism is ridiculous.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by SamF

Nothing about extremism there pal.

I would suggest a Freudian slip on Baggys part in this instance. Or do you see people with strong views & opinions as racists ? If so then it raises a rather interesting juxtaposition. Since you feel strongly about the views of someone else & your views are strongly opposed & divergent to theirs, doesn't that then make you a racist to all intents & purposes ?

Originally Posted by SamF

Seriously the thinly veiled racism is ridiculous.

Once more the condemnation of someone as a racist in light of their views & opinions ! Below the definition of racism :-

racism [ˈreɪsɪzəm], racialism [ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm]n1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a beliefracist , racialist n & adj

Now as far as I can see the above has not been specific in posts by Baggy, so I would think your remarks & assumptions may not be entirely accurate. Ergo, you're approaching the issue from a pre-determined view point & with a specific mind set, thereby not allowing for reasoned argument & a reliance on typical "anti" rhetoric which hinders any form of balanced dialogue.

And there we have the crux of the problem ! If these limited views (within this forum) are a reflection on the broader Society as a whole then surely it is no wonder the levels of resentment & alienation, felt throughout the populace (irrespective of race, religion, ethnicity, origin & so-forth) is in such an inflammatory state & the longer the situation persists, the more embittered & embattled the relevant sides will become & the cries of racist certainly won't help alleviate the whole sorry mess ! So the EDL & their counter-parties, love them or loathe them are in their way raising awareness of the underlying tensions, that without rectification will lead to much greater problems.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Once more the condemnation of someone as a racist in light of their views & opinions ! Below the definition of racism :-

racism [ˈreɪsɪzəm], racialism [ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm]n1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a beliefracist , racialist n & adj


And there we have the crux of the problem ! If these limited views (within this forum) are a reflection on the broader Society as a whole then surely it is no wonder the levels of resentment & alienation, felt throughout the populace (irrespective of race, religion, ethnicity, origin & so-forth) is in such an inflammatory state & the longer the situation persists, the more embittered & embattled the relevant sides will become & the cries of racist certainly won't help alleviate the whole sorry mess ! So the EDL & their counter-parties, love them or loathe them are in their way raising awareness of the underlying tensions, that without rectification will lead to much greater problems.

Having just read the following article & the comments we see again what is mentioned above, just because people have vastly differing views especially upon this particular subject (excessive immigration) does this make Cameron a racist ?

PM claims immigration is wrecking communities - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

[voiceofreason]

Lets not forget racism works both ways - it isnt always whites against asians/black people, it comes the other way too. Im sure a few people on here will have witnessed this personally

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Having just read the following article & the comments we see again what is mentioned above, just because people have vastly differing views especially upon this particular subject (excessive immigration) does this make Cameron a racist ?

PM claims immigration is wrecking communities - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

No he's talking sense, the Open Door immigration policy doesn't work, (2 million since 1997) controlled migration is the only answer, why let in every Tom Dick and Abdul in, when the infrastructure is bursting at the seems, when the only thing for immigrants is Social Security, with little prospect of work, except for people with skills, so why add to the countries problems at a time when things are tight for the indigenous population

[accyman]

if cameron is serious about this a good way to deter scroungers and those that go abroad to marry so they can bring more back with them will be to pass laws that deny imigrants access to benefits and free nhs treatment.Lets see how appealing teh UK is to come to when those two luxuries are denied.If people genuinly want to come here to contribute they wont step off the boat or plane with tehir hand held out

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

No he's talking sense, the Open Door immigration policy doesn't work, (2 million since 1997) controlled migration is the only answer, why let in every Tom Dick and Abdul in, when the infrastructure is bursting at the seems, when the only thing for immigrants is Social Security, with little prospect of work, except for people with skills, so why add to the countries problems at a time when things are tight for the indigenous population

thats perfectly correct,but its one thing talking the talk, the acid test is will he walk the walk? i remain skeptical.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

that's perfectly correct,but its one thing talking the talk, the acid test is will he walk the walk? i remain skeptical.

Well at least he's talking about it, Blair and Brown opened the gates and let all and sundry through, without even a thought of how it would affect schools NHS housing and the huge handout bill, no they just sent Jack Straw down to Dover to meet and greet, and point them in the way for the nearest DHSS office

[walkinman221]

Totally true but i think the gates were open long before blair and brown got their go at the trough.

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

Totally true but i think the gates were open long before blair and brown got their go at the trough.

We agree on something then lol.

[walkinman221]

I agree with quite a few of your points its actually the edl i am skeptical of.

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

I agree with quite a few of your points its actually the edl i am skeptical of.

I'm not totally convinced yet but they are moving in the right direction and making people take note.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well at least he's talking about it, Blair and Brown opened the gates and let all and sundry through, without even a thought of how it would affect schools NHS housing and the huge handout bill, no they just sent Jack Straw down to Dover to meet and greet, and point them in the way for the nearest DHSS office

Enoch Powell talked about it,back in the day,i seem to remember the "Conservatives" booting him out of the party fer doing so, O.K. his idea was different, but twas still about too many immigrants, so you'll forgive my skepticism.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Radical Islam Jay, same as many are opposed to extremists in other religions too, we only have to look over the "Pond" to get an idea or two (I'm sure our Colonial cousins could better inform us) plus we do have our own home grown bigots & defectives, NI & certain elements in Scotland spring to mind, the sorry thing about it all is that it's done & proclaimed under the guise of "Religion", seems atheism & agnosticism aren't such bad calls after all.

I'm presuming that you mean those "Colonial cousins" living south of '49

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Eric

I'm presuming that you mean those "Colonial cousins" living south of '49

Aye Eric ! Them's the Badgers !