EdM's speech a defining moment

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I've just had another thought.

Given that there are two hundred and odd Labour MP's and that many of them will be using local forums such as this, I wonder if there has been a directive from Leader Millibands office to the effect that all Labour MP's should post this rubbish this weekend?

If that's true, let's just hope they're all getting a better reception on the forums they use, than Graham seems to be getting, on here.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by garinda

If that's true, let's just hope they're all getting a better reception on the forums they use, than Graham seems to be getting, on here.

Yeh only get what yeh deserve i was taught.

[garinda]

By the way, no need to thank us Graham.

For making active a mind boringly dull thread.

We, at least, are happy to help you.

[mobertol]

"Thank you Conference.

It’s great to be in Liverpool.

Labour Liverpool.

A generation ago a Labour leader came to Conference to condemn the behaviour of a Labour Council in Liverpool.

Today I come to Liverpool, proud to hold our Conference in this great city.

Proud of the work our Labour council is doing.

Conference, it’s been a busy year for me.

There’s one person I want to thank more than any other.

For her love, her support, for her encouragement.

My wife Justine.

Ask me the three most rewarding things I’ve done this year.

Being at the birth of our second son Sam.

Then getting married.

It is 2011 after all.

And starting to tell Daniel, my older son, the stories my Dad used to tell me.

My kids, Daniel and Sam.

A new generation of Miliband brothers.

I know what you’re thinking.

But just to reassure you.

We’re really hoping they become doctors too.

And of course one other big event happened in my life, one that the media was really interested in:

My nose job.

July 27th.

They called it Ed Nose Day.

In case you wondered listening to me, it was a great success.

I had a deviated septum and it needed repositioning.

Typical Labour leader.

He gets elected and everything moves to the centre."

Great start! Thought this might liven things up a bit...!

[mobertol]

"But with such great people, how have we ended up with the problems we face?

It’s because of the way we have chosen to run our country.

Not just for a year or so but for decades.

Now there are hard lessons here for my party which some won’t like.

Some of what happened in the 1980s was right.

It was right to let people buy their council houses.

It was right to cut tax rates of 60, 70, 80 percent.

And it was right to change the rules on the closed shop, on strikes before ballots.

These changes were right, and we were wrong to oppose it at the time.

But while some of it was right, too much of what happened was based on the wrong values.

That’s where New Labour came in.

The rebuilt schools, new hospitals, more police.

The minimum wage, tax credits, the new deal.

Half a million children lifted out of poverty.

Britain with Labour: the only country in Europe where poverty was not going up, but was going down.

My party is proud of that record.

And so am I.

But good times did not mean we had a good economic system.

We changed the fabric of our country but we did not do enough to change the values of our economy. "

Hotting up, this contains just about the only reference to Europe...

For the full speech see following link.

Labour Party Conference: Ed Miliband's speech in full - Telegraph

[Wynonie Harris]

What an utter load of cliched, hackneyed, nauseously insincere, third-rate drivel. I've just wasted three minutes of my life reading that...three minutes I'll never get back.

[garinda]

Brilliant.

Though being uniquely privilged to know just how very close you were to the political heart of left-wing politics in this country, at one time, I did wonder where what I'd started to read, was going...

Phew.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Brilliant.

Though being uniquely privilged to know just how very close you were to the political heart of left-wing politics in this country, at one time, I did wonder where what I'd started to read, was going...

Phew.

That's Mobertol, by the way.

Not Wynonie.

Oops. Was meant to be a quote.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

What an utter load of cliched, hackneyed, nauseously insincere, third-rate drivel. I've just wasted three minutes of my life reading that...three minutes I'll never get back.

Yup.

Definitely a case of get rid of the actor, AND sack the script writer.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I agree with Steve!
What a load of twaddle.
Yes Labour did change the fabric of society....they socially engineered changes that allowed uncontrolled immigration, a dependency culture, they took us into a war that was illegal and cost the lives of countless young men for no just cause.
They encouraged a live now pay later lifestyle.
They diminshed the value of the family as a social unit......as for lifting children out of poverty, well, that is what they like to believe. They created moral poverty.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

Brilliant.

Though being uniquely privilged to know just how very close you were to the political heart of left-wing politics in this country, at one time, i did wonder where what i'd started to read, was going...

Phew.

lol!!!!!!!

[Taggy]

Actually i don't agree with attacks on "Old Labour" principles particularily in our "deprived" area, i do actually think basic Labour policies work best for poor folk such as us!.......And even the "New Labour" principles...well at least at the start, were quite honourable!.....Such a shame that once these people come into money though, that they abandon any principles they ever had!

Best Regards - Taggy

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

What an utter load of cliched, hackneyed, nauseously insincere, third-rate drivel. I've just wasted three minutes of my life reading that...three minutes I'll never get back.

In a nutshell there bud .... a definining moment my ass ... if it defines anything, it highlights how out of touch modern politicians are; and not only yours, many of ours are just as bad. But to call such "third-rate drivel" a "defining moment" is to cheapen the phrase...maybe both phrases. There have been speeches that one can describe with such a term. On a list of the most significant speeches of all time, this one should be placed as an "also ran" after some of the ramblings of Spiro Agnew. Martin Luther King's (sorry, MLK) "I have a dream" ... Winston Churchill, take your pick; I like the "We shall never surrender" speech ... FDR's "Lend Lease" speech ... even Pope Urban's preaching the First Crusade ... Martin Luther's nailing 95 theocrats to the door of Wittenberg Cathedral (not a speech, but most certainly a statement) ... even the ads on informercials ... but this garbage!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Taggy

Actually i don't agree with attacks on "Old Labour" principles particularily in our "deprived" area, i do actually think basic Labour policies work best for poor folk such as us!.......And even the "New Labour" principles...well at least at the start, were quite honourable!.....Such a shame that once these people come into money though, that they abandon any principles they ever had!

Best Regards - Taggy

Oh, lots agree, after eighteen years of Tory government, the start looked very promising.

Though sadly they were still sweeping up the Things Can Only Get Better champagne bottles on the South Bank, when they began to move away from the ordinary people, and ended up being just as much the out of touch, elitist, arrogant boneheads as the Tories, before 'em.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I've just had another thought.

Given that there are two hundred and odd Labour MP's and that many of them will be using local forums such as this, I wonder if there has been a directive from Leader Millibands office to the effect that all Labour MP's should post this rubbish this weekend?

I do believe that you have hit the proverbial nail right on the head.

Circle the wagons men; the natives are getting restless.