education fees

[garinda]

'They are among an army of graduates emerging from the education system who face the toughest employment prospects for years as the recession deepens. The government, having encouraged youngsters into higher education that has saddled many with large debts, is deeply worried. Graduate numbers are hitting a record high just as the number of jobs is shrinking.'

Labour's graduates aren't getting jobs - Times Online

Probably made even harder since the recession.

[blazey]

Many top companies are recruiting MORE people, just depends on the industry.

What is good about the armed forces in particular, though I'm not sure if this is from this thread or the other so I might be crossing threads here, is that they often pay for further education prospects to attract the more educated youth. This isn't often the focus of the talks delivered to the high school students, when they tend to target the ones who are likely to not get many or particularly good GCSEs.

Education needs full reform I think but I think if I was left to reform it I would have to crack down on both traditional and modern trends and put emphasis on proving more than just an ability to churn out information and more than an ability to pay for the education, because that isn't getting the best out people, at least not at University level.

My tuition fees are rising nicely with inflation. £3225 next year I believe.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by blazey

Many top companies are recruiting MORE people, just depends on the industry.

What is good about the armed forces in particular, though I'm not sure if this is from this thread or the other so I might be crossing threads here, is that they often pay for further education prospects to attract the more educated youth. This isn't often the focus of the talks delivered to the high school students, when they tend to target the ones who are likely to not get many or particularly good GCSEs.

Education needs full reform I think but I think if I was left to reform it I would have to crack down on both traditional and modern trends and put emphasis on proving more than just an ability to churn out information and more than an ability to pay for the education, because that isn't getting the best out people, at least not at University level.

My tuition fees are rising nicely with inflation. £3225 next year I believe.

$6,500 is still not a bad deal ... you would pay a lot more than that over here, and still more in the US .... but, is there any support from the govt. ... say, in the form of govt. grants and govt. guaranteed loans .... does your university have bursary programs for qualified students who would have trouble paying the fees? Just interested.

[Benipete]

I once worked for an architect that was a complete idiot,after several minutes of discussion with the main contractor I asked what imbecile had designed the building.
A voice from the back said I did and there are 9 letters after my name.
I replied,well there are 4 missing.

[katex]

Just getting back to the debt .. my son, now 26 years, has still a debt of £11,000 from the government loans.

You will not be obliged to pay anything until you are earning over £15,000 per year, and then charged at 9% of the balance of your income. Will take a long time to pay off, but the interest now being charged is easier of course. Is taken out from your wage, so he does not miss it. Still if the fees go up, this will mean a longer time to clear this debt .. probably 25 years average.

The problem comes if you wish to take a Master's Degree ... no help here. Have to find the tuition fees out of your own pocket, (was £2,000) and no loan for housing (probably why students taking a Phd as Blazey explained are now teaching to pay for this). He was lucky, had a kind relative benefactor and, as my income had dropped substantially at this stage, did get a grant of about £700 plus. He luckily did find a job 3 days a week with a company that he is now employed with which helped with living subsistence; the company actually promoted themselves at the university, hard going for him, but paying out now.

This is just my case of course.

[garinda]

It was just in today's news that vice-chancellors are pushing for university fees above and beyond the £3,500 per annum, that they are currently capped at.

Fees could rise to £20,000 in university cap review | Metro.co.uk

[jaysay]

The thing that really gets my Goat is the fact that students in this country have to pay yet they don't in Scotland, much in the same way as Prescription Charges, and Hospital Park, its supposed to be great Britain or the United Kingdom, but there is nothing United about the country anymore. Even so the Government won't budge on these issues but the guilling thing is that Scottish MPs are allowed to vote on issues like student fees hospital parking and prescription charges when it doesn't affect the people who elect them, it always has been and always will be a nonsense

[Eric]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The thing that really gets my Goat is the fact that students in this country have to pay yet they don't in Scotland, much in the same way as Prescription Charges, and Hospital Park, its supposed to be great Britain or the United Kingdom, but there is nothing United about the country anymore. Even so the Government won't budge on these issues but the guilling thing is that Scottish MPs are allowed to vote on issues like student fees hospital parking and prescription charges when it doesn't affect the people who elect them, it always has been and always will be a nonsense

Do I detect a hint of socialism in this

[blazey]

I personally think it is important to contribute to the cost of your education in some ways. I obviously would rather tuition fees stay low in cost but realistically our education is heavily subsidised. Most international students who come to study here pay the full £10,000+ tuition fees unless they get a scholarship off the government through EU initiatives to attract talent to the country and stuff. (remember that even if they leave here after studying they will still have studied in UK and attract more people here)

Funnily enough I had this same conversation with my counsellor the other week and I remember making the remark that if your getting something for free you can hardly complain when its poor quality, but if you're paying the same fees as you would pay at Oxford and Cambridge then the least you should be able to demand is only the greatest efforts from your tutors wherever you study.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by blazey

I personally think it is important to contribute to the cost of your education in some ways. I obviously would rather tuition fees stay low in cost but realistically our education is heavily subsidised.

Do you think that of all education, both compulsary and further education?

As both systems are 'heavily subsidised, by the tax payer.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

Do I detect a hint of socialism in this

Wash your mouth out with soapy water Eric

[blazey]

Originally Posted by garinda

Do you think that of all education, both compulsary and further education?

As both systems are 'heavily subsidised, by the tax payer.

Well its an interesting question. I think that seen as the government have decided education of sorts is compulsory until 18yrs of age now, it would be wrong to expect much contribution between the ages of 16-18 where many students either do A levels or do vocational courses. Those going into work from 16 now still have to be gaining some form of paper-based qualification, so its impossible to avoid 'further' education so it should probably stay subsidised the way it already is.

GCSEs in my opinion aren't adequate education for any person. I would like to see more schools in our area doing A levels at the school rather than having to go to colleges.