Election

[Jimmy Clitheroe]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

So they are not going to learn because there is no acceptance that the problem exists in the Labour Party because it no longer represents the people it was formed to promote, protect and serve.
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Indeed - they haven't learnt one iota and seem hellbent on marginalising the party and reducing it's appeal even further...

Labour MP David Lammy, who was re-elected in Tottenham last night, has said he is "thinking about" running for the Labour leadership.

...just when you thought they couldn't choose anyone worse than Corbyn.

[Margaret Pilkington]

It would be really hard to choose a Labour MP who has the skill to lead this very dysfunctional political party.
Part of their problem is that they have lost touch with the traditional Labour voter....and some of the blame for this has to be laid at the door of Tony Blair...he set the standard for the current class of 'champagne socialists' those with money and influence.

Today, MP's almost see themselves as celebrities rather than jobbing politicians....in parliament to REPRESENT those who elected them.

I am sick of seeing the likes of Rylance, Cumberbatch, Hugh Grant, preaching and pontificating for Labour....and not forgetting silly Lily Allen.....these are not the people that the Labour Party was set up to protect.
They have more money in a year than most of us will earn in our lifetimes....and I don't see any of them giving it to support homeless or disadvantaged.
Their pontificating is more a form of virtue signalling....letting the world think they care about those on the breadline.....but just talking about it doesn't get it done.

The party needs to rid itself of the Marxists and communists before it can hope to regain support.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Someone else agrees with you, Margaret.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/1...erved-to-lose/

[Margaret Pilkington]

I hadn't seen that, but yes, it is right....and it seems that they hate anything patriotic, anything British, they cannot see that patriotism to the Brits is the air they breathe....and that this is not racist or xenophobic...it is just in our genes.

Ps....I could have written that article myself....every word I agree with.

[ferret man]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Trouble is, his metropolitan vegetables are still running the Labour Party.

Are these the runner has BEANS

[Margaret Pilkington]

It seems that sore losers are again fighting in London Streets...the news reports say they Antifa demonstrators....now I thought that Antifa stood for 'antifascist'....yet these people are hypocritically exhibiting fascist tendencies....we have to believe what they believe....we have to follow their ideologies....any other ideologies will not be accepted or tolerated

Like the remainers before them(they probably are remainers...Labour voters, it seems that London is one of the few places that Labour still has support) they are denying the democratically elected government....voted for by the majority(in a first past the post system).
It appears that thuggery is what characterises these people...not good is it?

[Jimmy Clitheroe]

We DO need a credible opposition though - otherwise the ruling party will just take if or granted that what they do goes without question.

Labour needs to start by going back to proper 'grassroots' - they could start with insisting that any potential candidate MUST live in the constituency. Labour has been far too guilty of putting up people who fit their 'correct' criteria into seats they know nothing about.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Of course we do....that is the way our political system works best....balanced like a pair of scales.

The salient word in your first sentence is 'credible'...and that is what has been missing from the equation.

Also, I feel that Parliamentarians should be dignified. When you abuse your opponent, you immediately lose the argument.

I think this last election campaign has been one of(if not the most) nasty and vitriolic ever.

I think much of this nastiness boiled over from Brexit....which polarised the country.
That said it was a democratic vote that was denied by those who should uphold democratic process. They did not do what they were supposed to do, they tried to subvert the issue for their own purposes.

There was much manipulation of parliamentary process and the perpetrator of this was someone that is put in position to be impartial....the Speaker of the house.
A lot of blame for the nasty underhand tactics has to go to John Bercow.
In days of old he would have found his head on a pike....

[Margaret Pilkington]

I forgot to add that I also agree with your observation that to become an electable party again, the Labour Party needs to go back to what it was before Tony Blair 'stuffed it up'.
He was not modernising it, he was turning it into 'Conservative Lite'.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am sick of seeing the likes of Rylance, Cumberbatch, Hugh Grant, preaching and pontificating for Labour....and not forgetting silly Lily Allen.....

Ah, the great???? & the gormless! Can't abide them especially the allen bint despicable creature, still they've all been served a goodly portion of Crimbo delicacies in the last few days Stuffing & Pie (Humble) to be precise!

[MoreJoe]

Here is a thoughtful summation of the British Election from an American publication.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...nd-referendum/

Enjoy...
Joe

[Margaret Pilkington]

An interesting and apposite observation.
If a journalist from the other side of the pond can see this, then why can't those in the executive of the Labour Party.

I guess the answer has to be that they can see it, but like Nelson they put the telescope up to the blind eye.

As to the last bit of the article about Boris being elected on a Brexit ticket, so what will he do once that is sorted.

I think the answer to that will very much depend on how Brexit pans out.
What I do know is that those in Brussels who have been so insulting, rude, scathing etc may just have to rethink their approach now that the swamp has been drained.

It may now be, that with a majority government things may take on a different hue.
I would certainly be thinking of repealing the legislation that tied the PM's hands.

I would also be looking at the influence that the judiciary have on Parliamentary process.

[cashman]

probably cant see it cos they are more communist than socialist.

[Margaret Pilkington]

They are certainly that.

[Jimmy Clitheroe]

Originally Posted by cashman

probably cant see it cos they are more communist than socialist.

Doubt they'd have lasted five seconds under Uncle Joe