European poll. - Page 3

andrewb · 01-09-2009, 17:03

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Originally Posted by garinda

Then you should have voted for opion 3.

Well option 3 you said was to become more independent of the EU not leave it. Nevermind

garinda · 01-09-2009, 17:03

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Originally Posted by Mancie

No you can't if your a farmer that relies on 80% of their income from the C.A.P...and no you can't when and if the currency betting boys in the City decide to make an run on the pound.

Yes you can.

As for economic subsidies, that encourages and pays for food and drink that will sometimes never be eaten or drank, that is morally, and economically wrong.

On this I'm with the free market economists. If you can't produce something that someone is willing to purchase, then you should cease production, and not rely on monies raised from elsewhere to artifically subsidise you.

Royboy39 · 01-09-2009, 17:05

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Originally Posted by Mancie

No you can't if your a farmer that relies on 80% of their income from the C.A.P...and no you can't when and if the currency betting boys in the City decide to make an run on the pound.

With the so called financial genius at the helm, why have we had a run on the pound by our so called partners.

If farmers were allowed to grow for self sufficiency and not be tied to EU rules, subsidies would not be required.
CAP is something we all pay into and gain little benefit.

Mancie · 01-09-2009, 17:10

This country is not under the rule of any right wing/left wing super power.. it is not real..to compare the EU to the Soviet Union is not worth talking about..there have never been any regulations or laws imposed on this country or any other country in the EU that cannot be disregarded or vetoed by any country..non..this country has taken on the agreements signed in 1992 and further rattified those agreements in 1999 .. but no natoin or Union can tell us what to do and that's the reality.. if this or any Government decide to play along with these agreements then it's down to to them.

garinda · 01-09-2009, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Mancie

This country is not under the rule of any right wing/left wing super power.. it is not real..to compare the EU to the Soviet Union is not worth talking about..there have never been any regulations or laws imposed on this country or any other country in the EU that cannot be disregarded or vetoed by any country..non..this country has taken on the agreements signed in 1992 and further rattified those agreements in 1999 .. but no natoin or Union can tell us what to do and that's the reality.. if this or any Government decide to play along with these agreements then it's down to to them.

We have the situation that people unhappy with the verdicts of a British court, can now take their appeal further, to a European court, and their rulings then take precendence over British law.

This situation wasn't envisaged when we voted to enter the Common (economic) Market in the seventies.

Mancie · 01-09-2009, 17:48

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Originally Posted by garinda

We have the situation that people unhappy with the verdicts of a British court, can now take their appeal further, to a European court, and their rulings then take precendence over British law.

This situation wasn't envisaged when we voted to enter the Common (economic) Market in the seventies.

An appeal may be taken further to the european court but it is not true that any ruling by that court must to be applied by a British government..there have been cases where this government have disregarded european court rulings and there always will be because we are not ruled by the EU.. some seem to think we are but they are poorly informed.

Wynonie Harris · 01-09-2009, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I''m in favour of this Country being in the European Union/Community. I'm certainly not in favour of abuses such as you mention.

I don't see why anomalies such as these can't be sorted out without resorting to the drastic step of leaving Europe.

They may be "abuses" to you and me but they're not "abuses" to our new masters in Brussels. It is perfectly legal within EU rules to come to this country from any other EU country without let or hinderance and to claim benefit for children in your country of origin. So, as they're not "abuses" there's very little chance of them being sorted out.

andrewb · 01-09-2009, 17:55

So far the only two people who want to remain in the EU and are happy as it currently is are both Labour councillors. Heh..

garinda · 01-09-2009, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

They may be "abuses" to you and me but they're not "abuses" to our new masters in Brussels. It is perfectly legal within EU rules to come to this country from any other EU country without let or hinderance and to claim benefit for children in your country of origin. So, as they're not "abuses" there's very little chance of them being sorted out.

It does seem anomaly, to vote to keep the status quo, and to accept that there are abuses.

Abuses both major parties seem happy to ignore, and hence the increased support for extremism.

garinda · 01-09-2009, 18:10

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Originally Posted by andrewb

So far the only two people who want to remain in the EU and are happy as it currently is are both Labour councillors. Heh..

I just had to check who you meant.

I thought Cllr. Mancie and Cllr. Cashy were sticking to party guidelines.

Mancie · 01-09-2009, 18:10

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Originally Posted by andrewb

So far the only two people who want to remain in the EU and are happy as it currently is are both Labour councillors. Heh..

Well at least they've had the balls to do it... it's pretty easy for those who have not been elected and are not involved in making decisions to abstain or vote for whatever takes their fancy.. what say the elected Tories who are quick to stick their badge onto something but never deleliver?

Wynonie Harris · 01-09-2009, 18:11

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Originally Posted by andrewb

So far the only two people who want to remain in the EU and are happy as it currently is are both Labour councillors. Heh..

Well, they wouldn't be Tory councillors would they, as none of 'em have the bottle to join Accyweb.

garinda · 01-09-2009, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Well, they wouldn't be Tory councillors would they, as none of 'em have the bottle to join Accyweb.

You forget Peter Britcliffe has joined Accy Web, and posted twice, under the username of HisMaster'sVoiceHBC, or some such nonsense, and has confirmed it is indeed himself.

Wynonie Harris · 01-09-2009, 18:16

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Originally Posted by garinda

It does seem anomaly, to vote to keep the status quo, and to accept that there are abuses.

Abuses both major parties seem happy to ignore, and hence the increased support for extremism.

The whole EU ignores financial abuses on a monumental scale, involving billions of our hard-earned taxes. That's why its own auditors have refused to sign off EU accounts for 12 years running. Hardly an "anomaly" that can be "sorted out" in Bernard's words!

Wynonie Harris · 01-09-2009, 18:18

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Originally Posted by garinda

You forget Peter Britcliffe has joined Accy Web, and posted twice, under the username of HisMaster'sVoiceHBC, or some such nonsense, and has confirmed it is indeed himself.

Yes, but we don't talk about that, because Andrew will start getting upset!