European poll. - Page 6

andrewb · 02-09-2009, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

There are problems, but these are problems that if the will was there could be sorted. And in my view doesn't mitigate against the concept of the European Union, which I think is a correct concept.

I'm essentially an internationalist, and we have seen all too frequently in the last century what can happen when countries adopt an insular stance.

I'm all for liberalism as opposed to isolationist protectionism but there is no reason why any other country should have the ability to decide our domestic policy. That is for our parliament to do. There is never going to be a perfect voting system but what we have here in this country is a damn sight more accountable than having Brussels decide on what happens within our supposed sovereign nation. I cannot accept this tireless 'we can sort it from within'. It'd be a good argument if that was the mutual feeling of the governments of other member states and of course that of the commission, the unelected body of the EU that reigns supreme over policy initiation. The reality is that the vested interests of the EU want an ever closer political integration of Europe, whether we like it, want it, or not.

Mancie · 02-09-2009, 00:12

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Originally Posted by garinda

Before you turn into a Sun reading, little Englander, Tory loudmouth, who wants to put the superlative 'great' back into Britain.

Let's just clear up that the great in front of Britain, is an adjective referring to our size, and that we are indeed larger than Britannia Minor, which is northwestern France.

yes reference to "Great" Britain is geographic..but over many years it has become to mean something else..you can stick France up your whatamecallit as I've heard you have done in the past... but unlike you I don't like the slippery slope

history tells us that to become a nation of intolorence leads to murder, genocide, and any other perversion you can think up.

cashman · 02-09-2009, 00:12

i detest the BNP wi a passion Mancie, yet i understand why some reach fer em, if ya can't grasp it yer on a loser mate.

Mancie · 02-09-2009, 00:16

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Originally Posted by cashman

i detest the BNP wi a passion Mancie, yet i understand why some reach fer em, if ya can't grasp it yer on a loser mate.

maybe on a loser Cashy but I learnt your on one side or the other..they don't take any prisoners.

cashman · 02-09-2009, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Mancie

maybe on a loser Cashy but I learnt your on one side or the other..they don't take any prisoners.

anyone wi a grain of sense knows that......... but you n i both know theres quite a few numpties about.

Mancie · 02-09-2009, 00:31

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Originally Posted by cashman

anyone wi a grain of sense knows that......... but you n i both know theres quite a few numpties about.

yep..and that is why people who are marked down as "do gooders" dig in.

garinda · 02-09-2009, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Mancie

It's ot really any use in going on about how much people hate the BNP and would never vote for them..yet in the same breath people are saying they "understand" the reasons for voting for a party who's sole aim is to rid this country of anyone that is non-white..no if's or buts if you are not deemed as white then you can't even join these political party's..anyone who says they "understand" the reasons why anyone leans towards these groups are taking what may seem an easy way out but would end in disaster.
there is no excuse..it's plain and simple.. there are some that want things all lovely and rosey but it don't work that way..no sitting on the fence..take it or leave it.

Don't be so stupid.

Of course you can see the reasons why people might be tempted to extremism at either end of the political spectrum, even if you can't see the appeal, only the dangers, yourself.

History could very well repeat itself. The German people felt downtrodden, as well as hungry, after the punative measures that werre imposed on them after the Treaty of Versailles.

The situation was ripe for exploitation by extremist parties, who offered scapegoats and the promise of a brighter future. At one time the extreme left could have taken control, just as the right ultimately did under Hitler.

Just because you can see what's happening doesn't mean you agree with it, and shouldn't try and stop it from happening.

cashman · 02-09-2009, 00:43

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Originally Posted by Mancie

yep..and that is why people who are marked down as "do gooders" dig in.

know what yer saying, used to be the same meself,then the penny dropped, that can be as dangerous as the numpties.

Mancie · 02-09-2009, 00:46

It's all gone off the original poll..prety obvious that most people would like to leave the EU right now today...so whatever happens with the Lisbon treaty, a treaty that may have a few admenments but is near enough sorted.. the most of the population don't like it... when the tories get in power next year is it their manifesto to repeal any agreements signed in Lisbon?

garinda · 02-09-2009, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Mancie

..you can stick France up your whatamecallit as I've heard you have done in the past... but unlike you I don't like the slippery slope

Racist and homophobic in one post.

My, my, aren't you the very picture of a liberal, all welcoming, embracing diversity, modern Briton.

I always find it wise to practice what I preach. Then you can't be labelled a hypocrite, you hypocrite.

garinda · 02-09-2009, 00:52

Mancie, why do you never learn?

Everytime you resort to your crass abuse, any good things you might have said also look like they aren't credible.

Sadly you're a fool.

Mancie · 02-09-2009, 00:58

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Originally Posted by garinda

Don't be so stupid.

Of course you can see the reasons why people might be tempted to extremism at either end of the political spectrum, even if you can't see the appeal, only the dangers, yourself.

History could very well repeat itself. The German people felt downtrodden, as well as hungry, after the punative measures that werre imposed on them after the Treaty of Versailles.

The situation was ripe for exploitation by extremist parties, who offered scapegoats and the promise of a brighter future. At one time the extreme left could have taken control, just as the right ultimately did under Hitler.

Just because you can see what's happening doesn't mean you agree with it, and shouldn't try and stop it from happening.

I never said people will not be swayed or influenced by any party..OK I meant I don't like the look of ..or would like to be involved with a Nation that left the EU because of some gripe about romanians or stuff pelted out by the Daily Mail..I think if we seperated from Europe we could end up in more desperation.. and end up with an extreme right/left wing voted in goverment that would lead to destruction.

garinda · 02-09-2009, 01:02

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I never said people will not be swayed or influenced by any party..OK I meant I don't like the look of ..or would like to be involved with a Nation that left the EU because of some gripe about romanians or stuff pelted out by the Daily Mail..I think if we seperated from Europe we could end up in more desperation.. and end up with an extreme right/left wing voted in goverment that would lead to destruction.

That makes no sense.

You'd be wiser going to bed, and fingering through Barbara Cartland.

Mancie · 02-09-2009, 01:05

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Originally Posted by garinda

Mancie, why do you never learn?

Everytime you resort to your crass abuse, any good things you might have said also look like they aren't credible.

Sadly you're a fool.

get to F838rlk.. I don't say good things..and if you want to point out that fact then OK..get yer handjob off the butler ..go bed and leave me alone you plum!

garinda · 02-09-2009, 01:09

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Originally Posted by Mancie

get to F838rlk.. I don't say good things..and if you want to point out that fact then OK..get yer handjob off the butler ..go bed and leave me alone..diphead.

I rest my case.

The sad thing is when you're sober you probably regret undermining your own arguments, with resorting to imbecilic name calling.