Exhaust Fumes Are To Blame

[Ianto.W.]

Originally Posted by steeljack

this eco-fuel is a two edged sword , whats happening here is that large areas which previously has been used for grains and wheat is now being used for eco-fuel crops , this has resulted in a big rise in flour and beef futures prices at the various markets so expect an increase in your grocery bills .

I had heard they were making eco-fuel out of corn over there steeljack, yes it's a case of one mans fuel is another mans profit, yes I think i'd be getting into beef futures if I was over there, it's bound to shove the price of feed up, as you say a double edged sword ,you just can't win.

[jambutty]

WillowTheWhisp - I use the term cars to mean all infernal combustion engine vehicles. I am well aware that older buses and lorries spew out death from their exhausts at an alarming rate.

I don’t make any proposals about what to do about vehicle pollution, I was just asking those who opposed smoking on the grounds of health to others if they would now put their backs behind a campaign to get rid of lethal vehicle exhaust fumes, which by a strange coincidence also creates health problems in others. I’m not suggesting the banning of cars (I need mine because I have walking difficulties) just a change of fuel.

It would appear that hypocrisy rules. Up to right now 84 people have viewed this thread but there have only been 15 replies and some of those are mine. So where are these non-smokers? Why don’t they come in and say their piece? Come on defend the polluting motor vehicle.

The technology is available to produce fuel for the infernal combustion engine that doesn’t pollute the atmosphere but that would mean the decline of the petrol/Diesel industry and with the powerful lobby that it has it isn’t going to happen until the last drop of oil is squeezed out of the ground.

What would you rather have steeljack – a planet with an atmosphere that kills or a dearer loaf of bread? I would rather pay an extra 50 p for a loaf of bread than be choked to death with vehicle exhaust fumes. And I am sure that I am not alone with that view.

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

I had heard they were making eco-fuel out of corn over there steeljack, yes it's a case of one mans fuel is another mans profit, yes I think i'd be getting into beef futures if I was over there, it's bound to shove the price of feed up, as you say a double edged sword ,you just can't win.

see attached article about the effects of Eco- fuels are having on the Mexican economy http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...601896_pf.html and availibility of basic foodstuffs

[bullseyebarb]

Originally Posted by steeljack

this eco-fuel is a two edged sword , whats happening here is that large areas which previously has been used for grains and wheat is now being used for eco-fuel crops , this has resulted in a big rise in flour and beef futures prices at the various markets so expect an increase in your grocery bills .

Yes, and these alternatives are not always what they are cracked up to be, despite what the "Greens" would have us believe.

Lancashire has a lot more cars now - but less industry. Maybe it all evens itself out one way or another. I was raised with belching chimneys of every description. We lived near the railroad tracks at one point. My baby sister would be out in the backyard in her pram, (catching the few odd rays), and Mum always had to swab out her nose and around her mouth when she was brought back inside because coal dust and grime, etc., would deposit itself on the child as she lay there. Neither one of us has developed any health problems as a result of breathing in all of this junk. I don't discount environmental causes - but some could just be the result of genetics.

[Ianto.W.]

bullseyebarb, Neither one of us has developed any health problems as a result of breathing in all of this junk. I don't discount environmental causes

I am of the opinion that the generations that have followed ours, (and my childhood seems to have followed a similar pattern to yours 'barb' i.e. wipeing your sisters mouth etc), have been brought up in a to sterile environment, never being exposed to small doses of muck means no immunity to large doses, alergict to this that and the other ,during and after WW2 there was nowt to get alergict to as everything was on ration. If cars were only used for essential purposes i.e. work etc and not to pamper kids by running them to school, let them walk and get some fresh air and keep some fat off them. We only live in a tiny island, overpopulated by lazy gas guzzling car owners, some two or three cars to a family, who's biggest problem in life is somewhere to park the damn things!

[Crabby]

agree with you, Took lots of people with PHD`s so long to work it out

[jambutty]

Pollution is obviously a problem and problems are there to be solved and not argued against solving them.

Using bio fuel may well present new problems in that cereal products are used to produce it and thus may cause a flour shortage but corn is not the only vegetable matter that can produce ethanol.

All people seem to be doing is making excuses why petrol and Diesel should continue to be used and not embracing the situation and working to resolve it.

Like others I lived through the smoky days gone by but there were no near as many vehicles on the road then as there are now. So a comparison doesn’t do much to establish a point.

I’m sure that genetics do come into the equation and as has been pointed out, in the ‘good’ old days we were not quite as hygienic as we are today. How else can we explain two siblings where one is as healthy as a horse and the other catches everything going. We lived amongst all the gunge and grew immune to it by exposure. What was that old saying? Something about a peck of dirt.

Still no anti-smokers making a contribution to the thread I see! Is there just one ‘ban smoking’ car driving campaigner who whinged and moaned about his/her hair and clothes smelling like an old ashtray after a night out and longed to breathe ‘clean’ air ready to come out of the woodwork and complain about his/her hair and clothes smelling like an old exhaust?

140 people have now read this thread so why no comments from some of them?

[tadah]

Originally Posted by jambutty

A report today states that the medical profession recognises that vehicle exhaust fumes are the main cause of asthma. The report goes on to suggest that vehicle exhaust fumes also stunt the growth of the lungs in the young.

This damning report considers that children living within 500 yards of a busy highway are the most at risk. Can I just pat myself on the back just this once because they have confirmed what I have been saying for years and had my words rammed down my throat as motorists tried to defend their polluting ways.

Now all you sanctimonious, bigoted, selfish, intolerant, hypocritical non-smokers who campaigned so vociferously against being forced to breathe in second hand tobacco fumes, are you going to launch a similar campaign against the infernal combustion engine? If not why not?

Thanks for that info. Ill make a note of it.