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[Margaret Pilkington]

Well, I have nothing to hide...and I am not a despicable leftie..But I do not want an I D card.
I have explained why in posts for a long time.
I have no evidence that makes me want to change my mind.
If crims can fake other documents then they will fake these lucratively.
ID cards rely on them being carried by everyone and being subject to scrutiny.
I have seen how the border forces work at passport points in airports...not much scrutiny is given to these documents.

As for Latin, it is a language that helps you to understand the roots of words.
It was the language of learning in the dim and distant past, but has relevance in legal and medical circles who still use many Latin terms. Many Latin abbreviations are used in our own language, and if you have learned latin, then many other language doors are easier to open.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Here is a link to one of the threads...perhaps you might like to peruse it.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...y-47273-4.html
And here is a link to a more recent one.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rds-69186.html

[KiTChener]

Anyone who was taught Latin at school should consider themselves very lucky as it is the basis of understanding words and their meanings..

Being taught at a catholic grammar, I had Latin rammed down my throat!!

Although, 60 plus years later, apart from Hic Haec Hoc, (not even sure that is correct!), all I can remember is Cashy's tagline, NLTBGYD!

Roughly translated as :
Non illeggitimae carborundum
(Never let the barstewards grind you down!)

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Less

I've no real objection to some form of I.D. so long as if, when the Government introduces it then I shouldn't have to send in money to obtain that I.D. that is just another form of tax.

The government should be happy to foot the bill for increased security and all the other anti fraud type benefits ID cards would bring. I'd like it to contain your driving licence as well so we don't have to pay for that and carry 2 cards.

They could use personal ID numbers linked to car insurance policies so the Police know exactly who is insured to drive a car.

Technology can be a good thing

[Margaret Pilkington]

If you can trust the government to protect your information.
technology is a tool and a tool that is sharp is a boon, but a tool that is not what it should be,is dangerous even in skilled hands.
It seems that criminals are better at technology than governments are.

Neil, I do not see how our personal security will be increased or improved. Those who have criminal intent will just not carry ID cards....or will clone ID cards of innocent people.(if someone can somehow clone your information and add THEIR biometric details, then you really are done for....how then will you,prove that you are the real you?)

When there is some mechanism by which this problem can be overcome, then that will be a step forward.

The other question is... how are the I D cards to be policed....or perhaps that is not quite the right word. There is no point in having something if no one ever scrutinises it.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Neil

I'd like it to contain your driving licence as well so we don't have to pay for that and carry 2 cards.

Tell me about it, I have to have a Photo Drivers licence, Photo Drivers card for HGV's, Photo medical card, "Aufenhaltserlaubnis papers" (legal registration to live & work in Germany) & carry my passport to verify who & what I am!

A single all inclusive card would be nice.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Tell me about it, I have to have a Photo Drivers licence, Photo Drivers card for HGV's, Photo medical card, "Aufenhaltserlaubnis papers" (legal registration to live & work in Germany) & carry my passport to verify who & what I am!

A single all inclusive card would be nice.

You and I have had to carry numerous ID cards throughout our adult lives - I also had one as a child. A couple or so Units I had to carry out work at required more than one ID - never had a problem with them at all.

[Less]

The best I.D. I ever had was when I was self employed, for some reason one site I was working on wouldn't let anyone on unless they had a card with photo issued by the tax office.
I spent hours (and money) getting it issued.
They looked at it once!
Years later I went to sign on the dole, 'have you proof of identity?'.
Yes I replied and brought out that card.
'That's no good' came the reply, 'we don't accept anything from the tax office, do you have your birth certificate?'.

[cashman]

a similar thing with me when i returned from living in Spain, i was asked for I.D. and all i had with me was my Spanish Residencia card with photo and signature on, i was told we dont accept that.its issued by the Spanish Government says i, no matter we dont accept.

[monkey hanger]

the problem with showing I.D. if required is that not all people have a driving licence or a passport. can cause problems for people. my ex wife always had a problem due to this. everyone thinks everyone has one or both which is a lazy assumption.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I no longer have a passport...but recently had to get one of the photo driving licences...anyone looking at that picture would be hard pressed to recognise me.
I have never, ever been asked for ID.
I carried ID all through my career...was never asked to produce it once.
I visited many departments in our local hospital and in others too. Not once did anyone ever ask me to prove who I was.
This is the problem with ID cards...why have them if they are never scrutinised?

Perhaps at some point in the future all babies will be microchipped...this is not such a ludicrous idea as there is currently a company in the US that has offered microchipping to its workers and 50 of the 60 people employed have accepted this. Makes me shudder at some of the implications, but there you are.
It would not do for us all to think the same way.(I have, over the years,developed a very strong level of cynicism and suspicion)