Expenses, expenses...

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by Neil

Please put this into perspective by posting how much the Council Chief Executive is on, my guess is around £100,000.

Unfortunately I have not got the figures for the Managing Directors salary, but I am sure the Chief Executive of Rossendale is earning a similar salary to that of Hyndburn's Managing Director.

[katex]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Katex - the members allowances for councillors are increased in April each year - subject to it being voted on by the Full Council. For the current year 2008-2009 the basic allowance (which all councillors are entitled to claim) is £4388 and then there are various special allowances in addition to this - the Leader of the Council is entitled to claim £20448, the 2 deputy leaders £10224 and the other 3 cabinet members £7679.
There are also several other special allowances -Chair of Area Council £724, Chair of Judical £1448 and chair of Licensing £1448 that Peter Britcliffe is claiming in the current year 2008-2009.

This is a link to the 2008-2009 Member's Allowance page.
Council Constitution

I am claiming £4388 +a special allowance of £724 because I am Secretary of the Labour Group.

The figures I have quoted for the years 2003-2004, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 are correct. (Basis + special allowances)
2003-2004 £3102.75 + £11765.02 =£14867.77
2004-2005 £3134.74 + £12644.62 =£15779.36
2005-2006 £3726.46 + £14549.46 =£18275.92
2006-2007 £4154.10 + £16616.04 =£20770.14
2007-2008 £4257.97 + £26119.98 =£26119.98

I have not included in these figures any claims for childcare, mileage or subsistence - the figures are purely for allowances claimed as a member of Hyndburn Council.

Yes, yes understand all this Claytonender.

Think you have got the basic 2007/2008 incorrect .. should be £4,388.

Ok .. let's take our Graham.

2007/2008.

Would be claiming £6,582 (Leader of the opposition)
Basic allowance: £4,388. (think your figure was incorrect here)

Total = £10,970

2008/2009

Leader of opposition £6,747
Basic allowance: £4,498
Special committee 'Planning' £742. Hypothesizing as not sure when he actually took up this appointment.

Should Graham not have accepted the Planning Committee allowance would have only been approx. 2.5 percent.
Total: £11,987.

Now showing increase of 9.27 percent.
If had been a committee commanding a higher allowance would have been a higher percentage.

Get it ? Losing the will to live now.

No issues with what they claim at all ... probably well deserved, and they are entitled, and not interested at all in the Rossendale allowances, not the issue. Red Herring.

[claytonender]

Katex the basic allowance for 2008-2009 is definitely £4388 - I have my pay slip in front of me (for my February 2009 payment) and it shows Basic Allowance is £365.67 per month - which multiplied by 12 makes £4388.04 per annum. These figures (for 2008-2009) are on page 8 of the link I posted
I think the figures you are using are the proposed member's allowances for 2009-2010 - which not everyone may choose to claim.

Graham became the leader of the Labour Group in May 2006. I have the all correct figures for his members allowances since then.

But am to tired to post them now, but will do when I get time over the weekend.

However this year 2008 to 2009 he is claiming basic £4388 + (special allowance for Leader of the Oppostion =1.5 times basic allowance)£6,582.00 + (allowance for members of planning committee =0.165 of basic allowance) £724 =£11694.00

[Ossywarrior]

does it really matter ?

there all a shower of ****e and i do wonder what i get for the council tax i pay thr roads in the borough are akin to a third world country

[g jones]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Are you going to have the courage of your convictions and drop your own allowances then? I don't think Rossendale gives special allowances to group secretaries, at least it doesn't say so on the link provided. Your new allowance would be £2,610 rather than your current £5112, which is a 95% increase on Rossendale.

bloody hell Andrew. Why can't you just give in and admit the facts. The Tories need to buck their ideas up and Labour has done nothing wrong!

Heavens sake.... If 'Sir' David asked you to jump in the canal head first you would...

[g jones]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Well considering Peter does not use AccringtonWeb I've no idea why you keep mentioning it here, as I will be asking him through another channel. I'm hoping you already know the answer and can just save me the trouble. When are you going to decrease your allowance?

Wot? You claiming to be Jesus then?

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by g jones

Wot? You claiming to be Jesus then?

Well he does appear to think he can walk on water.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Regarding whether Peter Britcliffe reimburses HBC for the personal calls on his Council Mobile - I don't know whether he pays the money back or not, so it will be intersting for you to provide the answer.

As regards the Member's Allowances - I will accept the level of Rossendale member's allowance, when the rest of Councillors on Hyndburn Borough Council agree to do so.

You're having a laugh Joan. Andrew has shown he is a nasty little individual whose only motives are to twist and connive. He has the perfect mentor.

A member of the public told me today, take it as a compliment, Peter Britcliffe is THE BEST SPIN DOCTOR in Britain. Better than Alistair Campbell he said... (and I agree with that). Politics is a tough game when so many are taken in so easily by his charms.

[katex]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Katex the basic allowance for 2008-2009 is definitely £4388 - I have my pay slip in front of me (for my February 2009 payment) and it shows Basic Allowance is £365.67 per month - which multiplied by 12 makes £4388.04 per annum. These figures (for 2008-2009) are on page 8 of the link I posted
I think the figures you are using are the proposed member's allowances for 2009-2010 - which not everyone may choose to claim.

Graham became the leader of the Labour Group in May 2006. I have the all correct figures for his members allowances since then.

But am to tired to post them now, but will do when I get time over the weekend.

However this year 2008 to 2009 he is claiming basic £4388 + (special allowance for Leader of the Oppostion =1.5 times basic allowance)£6,582.00 + (allowance for members of planning committee =0.165 of basic allowance) £724 =£11694.00

Ok ... so your years are April to April then ?

Still all irrelevant with my point though !

Showing Graham's increase of 4 % approx from 2007/2008, (if he did not claim for planning in this year) BUT if he had been on a higher paid committee, would have been much higher.

Giving up .. you obviously do not understand my point, and probably everyone else is glazing over by now ... however, still think you have misrepresented Cllr. Britcliffe's increases.

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by katex

Ok ... so your years are April to April then ?

Still all irrelevant with my point though !

Showing Graham's increase of 4 % approx from 2007/2008, (if he did not claim for planning in this year) BUT if he had been on a higher paid committee, would have been much higher.

Giving up .. you obviously do not understand my point, and probably everyone else is glazing over by now ... however, still think you have misrepresented Cllr. Britcliffe's increases.

No I haven't misrepresented Peter Britcliffe's increases - it was him who voted for members to take more than 1 special responsiblity allowance and invented extra special allowances to keep his members sweet. One Tory member has an extra allowance of £1448 for chairing a meeting held once a year that lasts 2 hours.

By the way apart from Area Council Chairs (there are 3 Labour Chairs), Group Whip (1 Labour member) planing (4 LAbour members 1 Independent member) group secretary(1member) all £742 per annum - Oppostion Group Leader (1 member) Deputy Leader of Oppostion (1 @ £2194) and opposition spokesperson on planning (1 @ £1448) no other special responsiblty posts are given to any opposition members.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by garinda

Peter Britcliffe Total Allowances 2004-2005 £17,201.05

Peter Britcliffe Total Allowances 2007-2008 £27,760.59


Nice work if you can get it, and have the privilege of deciding what percentage pay increase you think you're worth.

I bet there are lots of workers, both in the private and public sector, who wish they were in the same position, that of deciding themselves that they deserve such a massive increase.

that is a real kick in the nuts to anybody working or not

[katex]

Originally Posted by claytonender

No I haven't misrepresented Peter Britcliffe's increases - it was him who voted for members to take more than 1 special responsiblity allowance and invented extra special allowances to keep his members sweet.

So was he the only one that voted then ? Which was the 1 special responsiblity allowance, and what do you mean by keeping his members sweet ?

Presume, most members will take these now anyway no matter what party .. and why not ? They have been accepted as legitimate allowances !

Still skirting around my point though as to the percentage increases.

[claytonender]

The total figures for members allowances for the 2008-2009 will be
Labour members £73,784.00 - 13 members
Independent members £13,889.00 - 4 members - Malcolm Pritchard only claims £1
Tory members £189,248.00 - 18 members

Total will be £276,921.00

[katex]

Originally Posted by claytonender

The total figures for members allowances for the 2008-2009 will be
Labour members £73,784.00 - 13 members
Independent members £13,889.00 - 4 members - Malcolm Pritchard only claims £1
Tory members £189,248.00 - 18 members

Total will be £276,921.00

So what does that prove ? ... there are more Conservative members holding higher paid posts ..... and more fool Malcolm Pritchard, just makes him look an idiot in my eyes. Have expressed my feelings on people not claiming what they are entitled to earlier.

I think Councillors have a very difficult job, and have no objection whatsoever to what they are getting paid.

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by g jones

Wot? You claiming to be Jesus then?

Well that must mean Peter is God, because Jesus sits at the right hand of Gad.