Expenses, expenses...

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Good point, I think one of the main differences is that I don't hate people for their political beliefs though.

As for PM'ing, as I was one individual he could have done that. For me it would have been silly to message the councillors that use this forum and then single out every other councillor when I went and applied for my FOI. It makes much more sense to do it all at once, and may I add that by doing it through a FOI request or by doing it by PM, it does not launch it into the public in the way that Graham decided to do by posting it on this forum.

I really don't think Graham hates anyone because of their political belief either, just as I don't think you do either. Just like you he defends what he believes in and sometimes that means defending himself against personal attacks, which just like you, often look as though they are directed at one person who appears to be attacking them.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by claytonender

You could have emailed each councillor and asked them if they would send you the information. By requesting the information that way, you could have stated that you were asking every councillor for the information for research for your studies. As I was not a councillor in 2007-2008, I only became aware of the FOI from Accyweb, then received a call from another Labour member, who thought that they were the only person you had requested information about and asked if I knew who you were.
You have only added to the "conspiracy" theory by starting this thread-implying that Graham was abusing the use of his HBC provided mobile phone.



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Perhaps you have all the time in the world to waste time e-mailing everyone individually. I don't, and I'm perfectly happy using the freedom of information request, to send one e-mail (actually 2 in my case as I did not make my first clear enough), which your government made available.

[Gayle]

That's fair enough Andrew, you chose the most direct route to get what you wanted.

Equally, Graham chose the most direct method to reply to you and chose to make things public at the same time.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by turkishdelight

Just one example in that statement alone.I will spell it out to you. Clearly Rude to a member of he public.

Reading his post he never actually said anything about anyone. Maybe you are getting confused and reading things that are not really there

Here is a funny story one of the lads at work told me at work, I don't think its relevant to this thread but it just popped into my head for some reason and thought it might make people smile.

His manager had been annoying him so he asked the manager if he told him he was being an effin person who works in a bank (words changed because we are a family forum ) would he get into trouble?

The manager said that yes he would get into trouble.

He replied what if I was only thinking it in my head, would I get into trouble then?

His manager said no, how can you get into trouble for only thinking something?

He replied I am thinking you are an effin person who works in a bank

[Caz]

Originally Posted by garinda

Thank you for your first ever post, and for sharing your ringing endorsement.

Personally, having seen how the said person has acted recently, I beg to differ.

Still, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King, and if someone of that low a stature appeals to you, so be it. Thankfully I have higher moral standards, and am more likely to endorse Rosemary West.

Now, here's your guide dog's lead, and careful as you go.

Ciao.

Never mind, one Nectar Point doesn't get you much anyway.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Good point, I think one of the main differences is that I don't hate people for their political beliefs though.

As for PM'ing, as I was one individual he could have done that. For me it would have been silly to message the councillors that use this forum and then single out every other councillor when I went and applied for my FOI. It makes much more sense to do it all at once, and may I add that by doing it through a FOI request or by doing it by PM, it does not launch it into the public in the way that Graham decided to do by posting it on this forum.

I have said many times my relatives are Conservative on all sides. They would virtually all vote for me though because I don't tell lies and because I stand up to people like yourself.

[g jones]

And I'll say it again. I am a member of the Labour Party (in Hyndburn) because we stand for positive things. What we have achieved is very good. Excellent when compared to the ideas and achievements of local Conservatives.

My message is - don't measure ourselves against the last 10 years (Conservative), all that represents is failure (show me the successes?????). Measure ourselves against the decade's before when something was achieved.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by andrewb

He even went further and involved his personal family issues, as a way of calling me a nasty person who lives and breathes gutter politics, despite the fact that the reason I requested the information was nothing to do with his personal situation.

Sorry Andrew but you continue to be deluded to the facts.

I kept my private life private when you were point scoring attacking Labour for not putting a budget out 12 months ago (40 uncosted ideas). When you raised my mobile bill last week I had to explain why (my personal life as a carer) because you asked the question.

I can't abide people who tell lies Andrew.

[shillelagh]

Can we not all agree to disagree .... and all shut up bout it all. Its getting boring now.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by g jones

Sorry Andrew but you continue to be deluded to the facts.

I kept my private life private when you were point scoring attacking Labour for not putting a budget out 12 months ago (40 uncosted ideas). When you raised my mobile bill last week I had to explain why (my personal life as a carer) because you asked the question.

I can't abide people who tell lies Andrew.

I haven't told lies Graham. Can you retract calling me a nasty person then? Your personal life is perfectly acceptable as a reason for your high phone bill, as long as it's paid back to the council. Calling me nasty whilst also telling us why, implies that I requested the information knowing your circumstances. In actual fact, it's not at all nasty to simply post your expenses.

[yerself]

Would you buy a used car off either of these men??

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by yerself

Would you buy a used car off either of these men??

I couldn't afford to own one in the first place.

[turkishdelight]

Originally Posted by Neil

Reading his post he never actually said anything about anyone. Maybe you are getting confused and reading things that are not really there

Here is a funny story one of the lads at work told me at work, I don't think its relevant to this thread but it just popped into my head for some reason and thought it might make people smile.

His manager had been annoying him so he asked the manager if he told him he was being an effin person who works in a bank (words changed because we are a family forum ) would he get into trouble?

The manager said that yes he would get into trouble.

He replied what if I was only thinking it in my head, would I get into trouble then?

His manager said no, how can you get into trouble for only thinking something?

He replied I am thinking you are an effin person who works in a bank

Im not the one confused at all sorry beg to differ on that one.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

'With the economy plunging deeper into recession, and inflation likely to drop below 0% into deflation, the CBI has warned that the “overwhelming majority” of its members will freeze wages this year.'

'Tens of thousands of other private-sector workers are also likely to see their earnings slashed. Several professional firms have reduced salaries by 20% by putting employees on a four-day week.'

'A snapshot survey by the British Chambers of Commerce shows that 30% of businesses are planning to cut working hours. David Frost, its director-general, said: “Across the country I am hearing more and more businesses left with no choice but to freeze and cut pay.'

“It is unacceptable that the public sector should not share any of this pain.''

Pay freeze looms for millions - Times Online

Perhaps he should have added, after his last comment, 'unless of course you are the Conservative Leader of Hyndburn Borough Council, in Lancashire'.

'His basic allowance has jumped from £17,032 to £19,842, but he is also allowed to claim allowances for more than one special responsibility, which has led to the extra £5,000 he can claim.
This equates to a whopping pay increase of around 20 per cent.'

Expenses rise sparks fury in council chamber - News - Accrington Observer

'They approved a 49 per cent rise in their overnight stay allowance.'

Council makes a meal of rises - News - Accrington Observer

Can we bring the thread back on subject now please, and deal in facts?

It's a fact the Conservatives on Hyndburn Council chose to ignore the recommended allowance limits set by an independent body, and award themselves a massive increase.

No evidence appears to have been dug up on the other councillors by use of the Freedom of Information Act on everyone else's expenses, so on that fact it's indefensible.

Now it seems the bare facts are being hidden in threads realating to this scandalous greed, by trolling.

It's also fact that the newspapers are currently full of stories of people having to take pay cuts or go on short time, and they are the lucky ones who haven't already lost their jobs.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by garinda

Can we bring the thread back on subject now please, and deal in facts?

It's a fact the Conservatives on Hyndburn Council chose to ignore the recommended allowance limits set by an independent body, and award themselves a massive increase.

No evidence appears to have been dug up on the other councillors by use of the Freedom of Information Act on everyone else's expenses, so on that fact it's indefensible.

Now it seems the bare facts are being hidden in threads realating to this scandalous greed, by trolling.

It's also fact that the newspapers are currently full of stories of people having to take pay cuts or go on short time, and they are the lucky ones who haven't already lost their jobs.

I have come to the concusion that this thread is nothing more than a personal crusadel and tub thumping exercise
The FOI is there for all to use should they wish to do so and if it so important for self learning get on with it.
I have been called a troll by you on several occasions and have brushed it off, the meaning of the word troll seems to be a word you use to be clever.
I have looked at your hidden in threads sinario:
Expenses thread 388 Posts.......Garinda 80 Posts next best 41.
FOI thread..........Garinda 262 Posts next best 147.
It seems that you have taken over the roll as self appointed chairman and tub thumper.