fanatics

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Yep.. the posts about this country being a "soft touch" are just as likley to be found on forums in France, Germany or any other European country..and as far as these nut jobs recieving benifits, the systems are basically the same thoughout the EU.

Not all of em mate, in Spain if ya aint paid in, ya don't get owt.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by cashman

Not all of em mate, in Spain if ya aint paid in, ya don't get owt.

Just had a look Cashy

If you have been employed in Spain for 6 months and you lose your job, you will generally be entitled to Spanish unemployment benefit. If you are employed or self-employed, you will also be entitled to sick pay, maternity pay and, when you retire, a pension. All benefits are paid at variable rates depending on the level of your contributions. If you have been paying minimum social security contributions the amount you will receive in benefits is currently around 750 EUR per month.

750 euro.. that's a fair bit more than unemployment benefit in the UK.
source;Social Security in Spain

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Just had a look Cashy

If you have been employed in Spain for 6 months and you lose your job, you will generally be entitled to Spanish unemployment benefit. If you are employed or self-employed, you will also be entitled to sick pay, maternity pay and, when you retire, a pension. All benefits are paid at variable rates depending on the level of your contributions. If you have been paying minimum social security contributions the amount you will receive in benefits is currently around 750 EUR per month.

750 euro.. that's a fair bit more than unemployment benefit in the UK.
source;Social Security in Spain

mancie yer benifit yon only continues fer as long as yer credits last, plus ya have to have spanish citizenship, i know i had.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

By the way, since you're new, trying to tell me what, and what not to do, always ends in (other's) tears.

yep since you are new.. the boss will tell you the in n outs.. were to put asterix n stuff what you should do and what to say, but like most bosses he is a divvy.. the Mods are here to decide what goes on.. so don't take it to heart.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by garinda

What facts weren't given?

Care to share them?

The link to the whole story in the German paper was included, for all to see.

Not disputing the link being there completely, but you only mentioned the headline and not what happened to them in the end, yes they won their case, but a couple of days later The Germans were investigating them for "hate preaching/ encouraging violence-terrorism. That's what I meant by Cherry picking Garinda.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by garinda

You mentioned you were in Germany, hinting that somehow there wasn't the same problem with fanatics there, which there is.

As pointed out in the link, fanaticism knows no borders.

I wasn't 'cherry picking' anything, just giving one example that ably illustrates that point.

Anyone needing any more examples only need to Google 'Muslim fanatic terrorist Germany', which will show this problem is an international one.

By the way, since you're new, trying to tell me what, and what not to do, always ends in (other's) tears.

No not quite right, Germany has lots of problems, some refer to Neo-Nazis and their hatred of things non German, then there's the other side of the coin the Muslim extremists who hate all things Western, then there's all the other petty resentments that run through a Society.

Germany certainly isn't a "Shangri-la" by a long stroke, but as a country that has had to rise from the Ashes of destruction twice, they appear to be better able to manage their internal problems somewhat better than the UK at present.

Yes I am new, and as such may make comments that you or others may find a little bit not to your liking, no malice intended but as "grown-ups" we should be able to give and take comments in a manner befitting, don't you think ??

[accyman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Germany certainly isn't a "Shangri-la" by a long stroke, but as a country that has had to rise from the Ashes of destruction twice,

yeah they really shoudlnt have started fights they couldnt finish lol

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by garinda

By the way, if you read the forum rules, it is against those rules to use alpha/numeric characters or asterisks, to get around the bad language/swearing ban, as this is a family site.

Secondly this is a thread about fanaticism, and since what you posted doesn't take into account that the vast majority of fanatics are born in the countries they live in, what you said is pointless.

Thirdly, if you think Germany is some harmonious Shangri-La, you're mistaken. I was working in Berlin, the largest Turkish Muslim city outside of Turkey, in the early eighties, and there was much more tension there, than there had been were I'd been living whilst studying, a post riot Toxteth.

Fanaticism, and intolerance, travels freely across man-made political borders.

Yes I am aware there are rules & regulations on the site and I do believe I have a fair idea how to follow such things as I spent several years in her Majesty's Armed Forces, so that people such as yourself, me and others could enjoy democracy & free speech (which right I am exercising now) on this forum. Should I make some social or offensive remark I'm sure the regulators would inform me forthwith, I would be chastised and said post deleted. As that doesn't appear to have happened I can only assume my comments may have been close but not deemed incorrect.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Mancie

yep since you are new.. the boss will tell you the in n outs.. were to put asterix n stuff what you should do and what to say, but like most bosses he is a divvy.. the Mods are here to decide what goes on.. so don't take it to heart.

Mancie, my good fellow thank you for your encouragement, and kind words. I will most certainly not take things, to heart. I do enjoy the points of view of many people, and see how everyone views things differently, that is the whole purpose of the forum is it not ? to have some light hearted banter and to see the other fella's view of things.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by accyman

yeah they really shoudlnt have started fights they couldnt finish lol

I think they may have learnt their lesson now.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

I think they may have learnt their lesson now.

yeah instead of ruling us through war they did it by paperwork

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by accyman

yeah instead of ruling us through war they did it by paperwork

Ah you refer to "Berlin Bumf" let us not forget their oppoes, the French in all this though, another country that has raised itself somewhat.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Germany certainly isn't a "Shangri-la" by a long stroke, but as a country that has had to rise from the Ashes of destruction twice, they appear to be better able to manage their internal problems somewhat better than the UK at present.

'Ramzi Binalshibh, Said Bahaji and Mounir Motassadeq, three members of what would become known as the Hamburg cell, the core group that carried out the attacks on New York and the Pentagon.'

'Hamburg -- and Germany as a whole -- was an almost risk-free environment for Islamic radicals. German officials, mindful of the country's Nazi past, say now that they were reluctant to target mosques and risk allegations of racism or religious persecution. Such reservations meant that while authorities were aware of the calls to arms that fired up the members of the Hamburg cell, they saw no cause to interven.'
Hamburg's Cauldron of Terror (washingtonpost.com)

'BERLIN -- Islamist extremists have begun to use Turkish- and German-language Web sites in an effort to win support and recruits among Germany's Turkish minority, adding to concerns over the threat from homegrown terrorism in Europe.'

'Islamist Web sites have flourished in Germany since 2001, but in the past much of the content was news recycled from more professional media, while extremist content was in Arabic. That changed late last year, however. In November, Sehadetvakti.com appeared, posting Turkish and sometimes German translations of statements by Muslim extremist organizations, including al Qaeda in Iraq, within hours of their release.'
Web Sites for Germany's Turks Fuel Fear of Homegrown Terror - WSJ.com
German Population Plunge “Irreversible,” Federal Stats Office Admits

'There are roughly 700 people in Germany who the interior ministry believes may be involved in extremist Islam circles, the ministry's deputy head said. Dozens of them are under intense surveillance.'
Hundreds of Potential Terrorists Live in Germany, Official Says | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 01.11.2008

Germany has one of the largest populations of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, with a Muslim community of over 3 million. That trend is expected to continue, leading some demographic trend-watchers to warn that the country is well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050, Deutsche Welle reported.
German Population Plunge “Irreversible,” Federal Stats Office Admits

Er...yeah, ok, good luck.

As stated earlier, fanaticism knows no geographic boundaries.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Oh and why go back to a sh*th*le in the Desert/Third world slum with nothing when you can live like a King for free in UK

As pointed out earlier, the majority of fanatics are born and raised in the countries in which they operate, and unless you happen to be in the group of Britains who make up less than one percent of the population, who are descended from an aristocratic background, you only have to go back a few generations to find the majority of inhabitants of this country living in slums.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Not disputing the link being there completely, but you only mentioned the headline and not what happened to them in the end, yes they won their case, but a couple of days later The Germans were investigating them for "hate preaching/ encouraging violence-terrorism. That's what I meant by Cherry picking Garinda.

I gave a link to the story of a German fanatic who was awarded cost and legal fees, to be paid by the German tax payer, after wining a case brought against the sate.

That is fact.

That he was investigated afterwards for terrorism, makes the decision even more ludicrous.