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[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Quite the contrary. Most evidence available shows a drift from Labour to the BNP.

You can see why, if you look at the BNP policies, they are just a racist Labour party.

Do you have to view everything in terms of political point scoring for the Tories? BOTH political parties have to start reconnecting more with the hopes and fears of ordinary people to stop the BNP gaining ground.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

I imagine the "evidence" you refer to is that it's more likely to be in traditional Labour voting working class towns that the BNP have any amount of success... but these are places in which the BNP focus their filth...the BNP don't even put up candidates in the leafy Tory suburbs.

The only evidence I can find seems to be written by a couple of right-wing bigoted twits on the Conservative Future's website.

I await with anticipation more concrete evidence, that andwerb will hopefully be supplying shortly.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Do you have to view everything in terms of political point scoring for the Tories? BOTH political parties have to start reconnecting more with the hopes and fears of ordinary people to stop the BNP gaining ground.

Unfortunately when people resort to scraping the bottom of barrel, all you find is sediment, more commonly known as s***e.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Do you have to view everything in terms of political point scoring for the Tories? BOTH political parties have to start reconnecting more with the hopes and fears of ordinary people to stop the BNP gaining ground.

Indeed I think my own party has a long way to go to connect with people. The only way to defeat the BNP is on the streets, keeping in touch with peoples concerns.

Garinda Why the working class dumped Labour and voted BNP | News & Politics | News & Comment | The First Post

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Indeed I think my own party has a long way to go to connect with people. The only way to defeat the BNP is on the streets, keeping in touch with peoples concerns.

Garinda Why the working class dumped Labour and voted BNP | News & Politics | News & Comment | The First Post

Tories defeating the BNP on "the streets"

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Indeed I think my own party has a long way to go to connect with people. The only way to defeat the BNP is on the streets, keeping in touch with peoples concerns.

Garinda Why the working class dumped Labour and voted BNP | News & Politics | News & Comment | The First Post

I think those voters referred to are more likely to be the numpties that voted for Thatcher in 1979, and then deserted the Conservatives to vote Blair into power in '97.

Historically there are many more links to join the N.F./B.N.P. to the more traditional right-wing British political parties, than there are to the left. Only a fool would say otherwise.

Neil Clark even acknowledges the protest vote element in the European elections, who the vast majority of people think are a farcical waste of time, and easily swung by those attempting to use their vote to protest.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

I think those voters referred to are more likely to be the numpties that voted for Thatcher in 1979, and then deserted the Conservatives to vote Blair into power in '97.

Historically there are many more links to join the N.F./B.N.P. to the more traditional right-wing British political parties, than there are to the left. Only a fool would say otherwise.

Neil Clark even acknowledges the protest vote element in the European elections, who the vast majority of people think are a farcical waste of time, and easily swung by those attempting to use their vote to protest.

'Protest vote' against Labour perhaps. The Conservatives increased their votes. Nobody is denying history, or mentioning the racist Labour policies that prevented Ugandan Asians from coming to Britain, as that is the past, we are talking about today.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

The Conservatives increased their votes.

'...the Conservatives, whose share of the vote was virtually unchanged from five years ago.'

I refuse to enter into anymore debate with someone so unable to see the truth, and who it appears will stoop at nothing to smear the political parties, whom they oppose, because of their blind party allegiance.

As someone who was actively involved in fighting right-wing extremism, I know which end of the political spectrum most of their leaders and supporters are drawn from.

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by andrewb

'Protest vote' against Labour perhaps. The Conservatives increased their votes. Nobody is denying history, or mentioning the racist Labour policies that prevented Ugandan Asians from coming to Britain, as that is the past, we are talking about today.

What happened in the past affects the present and the future. We have to learn from the mistakes of the past today so they dont happen in the future. The party or its polices need to reflect this regardless of what view they have. While all parties remain blinkered, ignore the past or even try to avoid problems the future is bleak.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

'...the Conservatives, whose share of the vote was virtually unchanged from five years ago.'

I refuse to enter into anymore debate with someone so unable to see the truth, and who it appears will stoop at nothing to smear the political parties, whom they oppose, because of their blind party allegiance.

As someone who was actively involved in fighting right-wing extremism, I know which end of the political spectrum most of their leaders and supporters are drawn from.

I can quite clearly see the truth Garinda and what you quoted me saying was absolutely right.

Conservatives already had a much higher percentage of the vote than Labour from the 2004 European Elections so should be more susceptible to 'protest votes'. In reality in 2009 Labour dropped by 6.9% and the Conservative vote rose by 1%. Again this demonstrates what my last post said, the Conservatives increased their vote.

I am not 'smearing' political parties, merely pointing out where BNP support has come from. Nor am I blinded by party allegiance. I have criticised the Conservatives both nationally and locally, even on this very forum. I am a member because they most closely resemble my political views.

If you wish to stop debating with myself for holding my own views and opinions which sometimes are different to your own, then fair enough.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

The only evidence I can find seems to be written by a couple of right-wing bigoted twits on the Conservative Future's website.

I await with anticipation more concrete evidence, that andwerb will hopefully be supplying shortly.

Conservative Future website Rindi your to old to join now your 45, membership is limited to under 30s, sorry

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Conservative Future website Rindi your to old to join now your 45, membership is limited to under 30s, sorry

Apparently there's no age limit, as to who can read it.

I'll read anything, even the back of bottles of toilet cleaner.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Apparently there's no age limit, as to who can read it.

I'll read anything, even the back of bottles of toilet cleaner.

Your keener than me Rindi, have never even looked at the Futures Website

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by garinda

Apparently there's no age limit, as to who can read it.

I'll read anything, even the back of bottles of toilet cleaner.

Well either you are bored or you are giving yourself further education.

[webglynne]

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