Fighting Mothers.

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by garinda

You don't really give any valid reasons why women shouldn't enter into combat, if they so wish, except that you don't like it. I know loads of women with great courage, and men who are total wimps, who couldn't kill a slug. It's all about choices.

So believing in equality as you do ....can I presume that you would see nothing wrong with a man and a woman fighting/struggling for a seat on the life-boat ?, or would you take the Lytton Strachey view when asked at his pacifist application hearing what he would do if he found a German soldier raping his sister and answered "Sir I would try to come between them "

No matter how fashionable and trendy it is in Tony's and Cherrie's new egalitarian UK to say a woman is equal to a man in all things is incorrect, just the fact that a woman is able to bear children puts her at a disadvantage in hostile situations in the event of capture ( I think the chances of a female POW being raped/sexually abused by her captures are a thousand times higher than her male counterpart ).

As deplorable as domestic violence is, I think there would be a lot more big black cars heading up Burnley Rd. if men really thought women were their equal and treated them as such .

[steeljack]

of course I could be a complete misogynist pig and do an ala Chav post and say .........
" why would anyone want to be in a foxhole/bunker with someone out of action seven days a month "

[shillelagh]

She's a member of our armed forces so why shouldnt she serve on a boat? Its part of her job which she knew when she enlisted and when she had her child that there was a chance she would be assigned to a boat and so have to leave her child and husband at home for 3/6 months or whatever it is. Women have been going to war for years so why not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Nightingale

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Sorry Shaker , but your 'metrosexual' view about nurturing just doesn't cut any ice with me

It's just facing facts & not being ignorant mate; nothing metrosexual there.

[garinda]

Perhaps Steeljack would prefer if the little woman stayed by hearth and home...and the kitchen sink.

Why should a person's gender stop them doing a job they are quite capable of doing, if that's what they chose to do?

Would you also insist that female police officers only be given desk jobs, to protect them from the slightest whiff of danger?

Just over a year ago WPC Sharon Beshenivsky died whilst carrying out her duties as a police officer. If she was my mum, I would of course have been devastated at her death, but I would also have been incredibly proud to have called her my Mother.

[MITZY]

I am in agreement with most on the site, she enlisted knowing full well she could be sent to a war zone, she is doing her job ,and yes missing her family as all the servicemen where-ever they are must do.

[WillowTheWhisp]

I'm of a similar opinion to Jambutty and Steeljack. I know it's not a popular opinion these days but I think the most important job a mother can do is bring up her children. Yes plenty of people have nannies but for me seeing a child feeling more love for his or her nanny than for his or her own mother just seems so sad.

Men and women aren't identical. We are physically different and always will be unless men ever become capable of being pregnant and giving birth.

There's a difference between being treated with equal respect and being paid equal rates for equal work than in declaring that we are 100% equal.

Now I know some male wimps too who would be useless as soldiers and I'm not saying that women can't fight but I do feel that we have a different role to play in life and shouldn't belittle that by trying to be men.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I'm of a similar opinion to Jambutty and Steeljack. I know it's not a popular opinion these days but I think the most important job a mother can do is bring up her children. Yes plenty of people have nannies but for me seeing a child feeling more love for his or her nanny than for his or her own mother just seems so sad.

Men and women aren't identical. We are physically different and always will be unless men ever become capable of being pregnant and giving birth.

There's a difference between being treated with equal respect and being paid equal rates for equal work than in declaring that we are 100% equal.

Now I know some male wimps too who would be useless as soldiers and I'm not saying that women can't fight but I do feel that we have a different role to play in life and shouldn't belittle that by trying to be men.

But isn't it about choice?

Some women chose to be full time mothers, others want to do other things as well, including joining the armed forces, and going to the frontline.

Would you take that choice away?

What's the point of equality if it isn't applicable to everyone?

[West Ender]

There used to be a lot of tutting and muttering over "househusbands", men who stayed at home to raise the children while their wives worked. It's not quite so startling a concept these days and it's down to choice.

Children need mother at home? If dad's more child-orientated than mum what's wrong with him doing the caring? Being capable of giving birth doesn't always mean that a woman is more predisposed to the nurturing role. In the same way there are some men whose nature is more "maternal", for want of a better word, who relish the job of raising the children.

The lady in question made her choice and joined the armed forces to fight alongside men. That in itself is not such a big deal, in Israel women have to do National Service and they do exactly the same job in the army as the men, they are trained to fight. The lady in question has a child and I'm sure she loves it just as much as all her male colleagues love theirs. She's not "unnatural" or a bad mother, her child is lovingly cared for in her absence, she's just different from those who choose to stay at home. Better a mum who loves you but has to be away at times than one who stays at home and doesn't really give much thought to you and there are quite a few of those around, aren't there?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by West Ender

There used to be a lot of tutting and muttering over "househusbands", men who stayed at home to raise the children while their wives worked. It's not quite so startling a concept these days and it's down to choice.

Children need mother at home? If dad's more child-orientated than mum what's wrong with him doing the caring? Being capable of giving birth doesn't always mean that a woman is more predisposed to the nurturing role. In the same way there are some men whose nature is more "maternal", for want of a better word, who relish the job of raising the children.

The lady in question made her choice and joined the armed forces to fight alongside men. That in itself is not such a big deal, in Israel women have to do National Service and they do exactly the same job in the army as the men, they are trained to fight. The lady in question has a child and I'm sure she loves it just as much as all her male colleagues love theirs. She's not "unnatural" or a bad mother, her child is lovingly cared for in her absence, she's just different from those who choose to stay at home. Better a mum who loves you but has to be away at times than one who stays at home and doesn't really give much thought to you and there are quite a few of those around, aren't there?

Agree, 100%.