Fly The Flag - Page 2

Gayle · 05-07-2007, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Only problem is, Rosebud and Gayle will start fretting that we might be BNP supporters!

No I won't and you know full well that wasn't my point. If everyone was flying the flag (as they do during sporting events) there is no question, however, when there are a few stray flags flying outside people's houses that does often give the impression that it's BNP.

SPUGGIE J · 05-07-2007, 11:38

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

Time is right for full devolution of Scotland, Wales and Ulster so there needn't be a Union Jack anymore, ....... and while they're at it they can draw the scottish border at Birmingham

Sadly full devolution would be bad for all concerned. As for the Scottish border being at Birmingham makes me think the north of England has more in common with Scotland than the south. Why cant we just divorce the area south of Birmingham and let it set its self up as it wants and the rest of us can carry on as we are. Besides some think England is only comprised of the south anyway so let them go it alone.

jambutty · 05-07-2007, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Eric

And while we're at it, getting those flags ready to fly .... don't forget the National Anthem ... if you are anywhere where it is played ... sports events etc. ... don't stand and mumble, looking embarrassed ... belt it out. "O Canada" may not have the most inspiring lyrics in the world, but it's our anthem (as is God Save the Queen) and we sing it out loud. Like when we won the world hockey championship (AGAIN) this year, eh.

The British national anthem is a dirge and has no relevance today. It just perpetuates the myth that the monarchy means something, as do the annual awards. KBE, MBE, OBE and the like! We don’t have an empire.

jambutty · 05-07-2007, 11:45

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Originally Posted by garinda

The flag of St. George was flying merrily from the flagpole outside of the Town Hall on Tuesday.

No known sporting occasion, or nationalist rally was evident.

The flag of St George is better than nothing.

jambutty · 05-07-2007, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Gayle

No I won't and you know full well that wasn't my point. If everyone was flying the flag (as they do during sporting events) there is no question, however, when there are a few stray flags flying outside people's houses that does often give the impression that it's BNP.

It is time that we took back the Union Flag from the BNP. In fact the government should pass legislation banning the use of the Union Flag as a symbol for an organisation, political or otherwise.

SPUGGIE J · 05-07-2007, 12:01

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Originally Posted by jambutty

The British national anthem is a dirge and has no relevance today. It just perpetuates the myth that the monarchy means something, as do the annual awards. KBE, MBE, OBE and the like! We don’t have an empire.

So very true but sadly they wish they did as Britain had power in those days and was mighty enough not to be pushed around (though the got a black eye or two). The medals and titles are to boost the ego of some and also let others dream of what they missed. Personally I would get rid of them as we as a modern country and society dont need them. They are a gimmic at the end of the day, but would keep Owd Lizzie as she has her uses.

Wynonie Harris · 05-07-2007, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Gayle

No I won't and you know full well that wasn't my point. If everyone was flying the flag (as they do during sporting events) there is no question, however, when there are a few stray flags flying outside people's houses that does often give the impression that it's BNP.

Gayle, my comment was tongue-in-cheek (sorry, I should have put a

there!). However, I agree with Jambutty's point, political and other organisations shouldn't be able to use...or misuse...our national flag.

cashman · 05-07-2007, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Gayle

If everyone was flying the flag (as they do during sporting events) there is no question, however, when there are a few stray flags flying outside people's houses that does often give the impression that it's BNP.

agree about the impression given gayle, but its THAT that wants sorting, people should be able to fly the national flag at will (NON POLITICAL)

Eric · 05-07-2007, 13:06

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Originally Posted by jambutty

The British national anthem is a dirge and has no relevance today. It just perpetuates the myth that the monarchy means something, as do the annual awards. KBE, MBE, OBE and the like! We don’t have an empire.

I don't think that it matters what it sounds like (altho' twinkle twinkle little star would not quite fit). And if anthems were not slow and simple, most would not be able to follow them. Half of ours is in French, and even the cowboys in Alberta have no trouble with that.

The idea that anthems should reflect current values, and not only that, but all shades of opinion from the BNP, which I assume is the current British version of the NSDAP, is a little silly. It is the idea of the anthem that is important. It reflects not the current and fluctuating attitudes, but enduring -albeit under siege - values and ideals, and the many things in history that one can be proud of.

Have to admit that I do find the awards a little anachronistic. But not having an Empire is a good idea. Now if we could only convince GWB of that ... but that is another story.

***Mr D*** · 05-07-2007, 17:20

So are we saying I am not allowed to fly a Union Jack or a St Georges Cross outside my house?

Or if I did I would be classed as a member of BNP or worse?

cashman · 05-07-2007, 17:49

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

So are we saying I am not allowed to fly a Union Jack or a St Georges Cross outside my house?

Or if I did I would be classed as a member of BNP or worse?

yes MR D i think some dipsticks would say that.

Stanaccy · 05-07-2007, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Gayle

No I won't and you know full well that wasn't my point. If everyone was flying the flag (as they do during sporting events) there is no question, however, when there are a few stray flags flying outside people's houses that does often give the impression that it's BNP.

I do understand that the far right stole the flag in the 70s, and I can see why people of my generation have a difficulty differentiating between patriotism and nationalism(in it's worst case).

However this has not stopped numerous organisations and bands trying to reclaim the flag which is something I applaud.

I personally do prefer the Flag of St George rather than the Union Flag but this has more to with aesthetics than politics.

shillelagh · 05-07-2007, 21:26

Theres a St Georges flag flying outside the church at Rising Bridge which is now a private house. Its been flying there for a couple of months.

lancsdave · 05-07-2007, 21:36

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

Theres a St Georges flag flying outside the church at Rising Bridge which is now a private house. Its been flying there for a couple of months.

We noticed one flyng from a church as your'e going in to Blackburn.

We also noticed a Hyndburn road sweeper vehicle flying a scottish flag. Bet he would be sacked if it was a St George flag or Union Jack

Lolly · 05-07-2007, 21:36

We should be able to fly our flag with pride. Like these people:

The Sun Online - News: We're all proud to fly the flag

Don't Americans fly their flags with pride outside most homes and government buildings (and rightly so!!)