fly tipping promoted by HBC

[chav1]

[QUOTE=park381]Yes it is, thats Hyndburn we're talkin about, they also have a special collection service for all those things you can't get in the wheelie bin, cookers, fridges, freezers(note these now need de-gassing before disposal)furniture etc. May be the collection service takes anything up to 14 days to activate or collect, but they do collect...........sooner or later [/QUOTE

yeah but if you put a black binliner full of waste food etc next to your wheelie bin they will empty the wheelie bin and leave the black bag for the rats and cats to play with

the only difference between the rubbish in the wheelie bin and the rubbish next to it is that 1 black bag is not in the wheelie bin but the rest are

the whole thing seems very petty on the councils part i even offered ro buy my own second wheelie bin and they said the would also refuse to empty that as well

i dont know what area you live in but my area has become a lot dirtier since wheelie bins came to be because the council leave peoples bags on the back alleys and the wind blows it all overthe street front which means they have to come and clean it up

seems to be much simpler and cheaper to take all the rubbish no natter what its in

no wonder our council tax bill is so high because they have to do the same job twice

just my 2 cents

[park381]

[QUOTE=chav1]

Originally Posted by park381

Yes it is, thats Hyndburn we're talkin about, they also have a special collection service for all those things you can't get in the wheelie bin, cookers, fridges, freezers(note these now need de-gassing before disposal)furniture etc. May be the collection service takes anything up to 14 days to activate or collect, but they do collect...........sooner or later [/QUOTE

yeah but if you put a black binliner full of waste food etc next to your wheelie bin they will empty the wheelie bin and leave the black bag for the rats and cats to play with

the only difference between the rubbish in the wheelie bin and the rubbish next to it is that 1 black bag is not in the wheelie bin but the rest are

the whole thing seems very petty on the councils part i even offered ro buy my own second wheelie bin and they said the would also refuse to empty that as well

i dont know what area you live in but my area has become a lot dirtier since wheelie bins came to be because the council leave peoples bags on the back alleys and the wind blows it all overthe street front which means they have to come and clean it up

seems to be much simpler and cheaper to take all the rubbish no natter what its in

no wonder our council tax bill is so high because they have to do the same job twice

just my 2 cents

I live in an area where I need to "drop" the wheelie down two steep steps, then run along to the end of the back street and park it with numberous other wheelie's, not thinking about the person that can't get his car out the garage cause all the wheelies are lined up in front of his garage, but I do as others with the black bags that won't fit in to my wheelie. Lift all the lids on the others and place any extra "black bags" in their wheelie's. The wheelies are scheduled to be on parade by 7:30AM HBC instruction, they are not emptied until near lunch time, and I must add all rubbish is removed and the wheelies lined up so neat it's a picture to see.Then anything up to 8pm at night you can hear people taking their wheelies back home, to rest until the next collection
I rest my Wheelie

[Margaret Pilkington]

I spend quite a bit of time in Australia and they have the same rules and regulations over there......such as, if the lid of the wheelie bin is not closed properly it isn't emptied....deemed as overfull. They recycle too and the garbage guys are just asawkward over there... if anything is in the wrong coloured bin it doesn't get emptied and then if you take the stuff that the binmen didn't collect to the tip yourself you are charged $10(about £4). It isnt as if the binmen over there have any lifting to do at all, it is all automated and there are marks outside the houses where the bins must be placed or the wagon will not pick them up. This is in Melbourne, I don't know if it is the same in other parts. It does seem to be a universal gripe.

[park381]

Seems that way, we all have a problem with "household waste" and the recycle bit. But why are Manchester and other areas tipping at Whinney Hill, are all their "big holes" full.

The sooner they fill in Whinney Hill, the sooner they'll build houses on it. More CT for HBC

[chav1]

Originally Posted by park381

Seems that way, we all have a problem with "household waste" and the recycle bit. But why are Manchester and other areas tipping at Whinney Hill, are all their "big holes" full.

The sooner they fill in Whinney Hill, the sooner they'll build houses on it. More CT for HBC

HBC sold the tip to a private company it is no longer ownde by the council so the council now have to pay to empty the bin waggons

only HBC could sell a hole full of crap

other departments are or have been taken over by private companies so eventualy instead of having a workforce HBC will be paying a company to do the work like repairs to council houses which i can see forcing our council tax bills even higher

[park381]

Originally Posted by chav1

HBC sold the tip to a private company it is no longer ownde by the council so the council now have to pay to empty the bin waggons

only HBC could sell a hole full of crap

other departments are or have been taken over by private companies so eventualy instead of having a workforce HBC will be paying a company to do the work like repairs to council houses which i can see forcing our council tax bills even higher

Ha, but think about it it's in Hyndburn, an when its full of "crap"...........someone will build houses on it...........who gets the rewards HBC with the CT
On the repairs to council houses, a private company would do repairs cheaper than HBC.............not as many "deadlegs"........sorry I meant "overheads"

[chav1]

Originally Posted by park381

Ha, but think about it it's in Hyndburn, an when its full of "crap"...........someone will build houses on it...........who gets the rewards HBC with the CT
On the repairs to council houses, a private company would do repairs cheaper than HBC.............not as many "deadlegs"........sorry I meant "overheads"

the companies wont be cheaper because the terms are that they keep everyone and also keep their wages the same and other stuff like full paid sick leave so the companies have to charge the council enough to keep paying high wages and also that little bit more to run at a proffit

[park381]

Originally Posted by chav1

the companies wont be cheaper because the terms are that they keep everyone and also keep their wages the same and other stuff like full paid sick leave so the companies have to charge the council enough to keep paying high wages and also that little bit more to run at a proffit

Oh, so how come when CCT was introduced, and councils had to tender for work that was normally part of their business, they lost out to the private companies

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by park381

Ha, but think about it it's in Hyndburn, an when its full of "crap"...........someone will build houses on it...........who gets the rewards HBC with the CT

I know I'm being dense - but what is the CT?

[park381]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I know I'm being dense - but what is the CT?

Council Tax

[chav1]

Originally Posted by park381

Oh, so how come when CCT was introduced, and councils had to tender for work that was normally part of their business, they lost out to the private companies

perhaps you didnt read what i said correctly

they have to keep the current wage levels , so this means they cant pay minimum wage like other private companys did

the companys the councli lost tenders to in the past paid minimum wages , no full paid sick pay , no holiday pay as they usualy employed people on a self employed basis and other ways of keping costs down

now hynburn council have probably sold these departments with a contract stating that the counclil must continue to use the people who buy out these departments so that they dont just sell the departments and go to the previously mentioned cheaper companies who pay minimum wages etc

either way we all loose apart from the councilor who decides which company takes over as he or she will probably recieve a nice backhander from the winning buyer unless we actualy have honest councilors/polititians LMAO

[park381]

perhaps you didnt read what i said correctly
they have to keep the current wage levels , so this means they cant pay minimum wage like other private companys did

No, I think I read your post correctly, on the point of minimum wages paid by private companies, if that is the case then the private company can provide the same service but cheaper, the fact that minimum wages are paid does not matter as long as the end user of the service, gets as good a service as previous.
Your other point regarding the transfer of staff with a "service" contract, that is now law, it came from the EU.

either way we all loose apart from the councilor who decides which company takes over as he or she will probably recieve a nice backhander from the winning buyer unless we actualy have honest councilors/polititians

I don't think that any one councillor would get that chance, think anything like that would be done via the "Tender " process.

[chav1]

Originally Posted by park381

No, I think I read your post correctly, on the point of minimum wages paid by private companies, if that is the case then the private company can provide the same service but cheaper, the fact that minimum wages are paid does not matter as long as the end user of the service, gets as good a service as previous.
Your other point regarding the transfer of staff with a "service" contract, that is now law, it came from the EU.
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I don't think that any one councillor would get that chance, think anything like that would be done via the "Tender " process.

well as someone who knows plenty of people who work for the council i think i can safely say the wages etc will still be the same and they will still be doing all the councils work so no matter how cheap the other companies are they will not be doing work for the council as the new owners of the councils department have the contract

the dapartments that have not yet switched ownership will be doing so later this year and those departments will still be doing the work for the council for the forseeable future

take my word for it or dont

[park381]

Originally Posted by chav1

well as someone who knows plenty of people who work for the council i think i can safely say the wages etc will still be the same and they will still be doing all the councils work so no matter how cheap the other companies are they will not be doing work for the council as the new owners of the councils department have the contract

the dapartments that have not yet switched ownership will be doing so later this year and those departments will still be doing the work for the council for the forseeable future

take my word for it or dont

What you are saying here is I think.
The ownership of the council department, is changing hands (a new private company) and the council workforce are being transferred to the new company on the same wages, doing the same work for the new company, as they did for the council. Whilst working for the "new company" the ex-councils workforce will be on the same terms and conditions as they were with the council......for a period of time. take my word for that, I can say the same thing happened at Blackburn with Darwen, when CAPITA came along, all the workers that transferred over to CAPITA have now had their terms and conditions changed, so beware, tell your friends to read the small print, and ask the questions of their new employers. "Is there a clause in their contract, that will allow the new employer to change their terms and conditions at a later date.
Only trying to be helpful

[chav1]

Originally Posted by park381

What you are saying here is I think.
The ownership of the council department, is changing hands (a new private company) and the council workforce are being transferred to the new company on the same wages, doing the same work for the new company, as they did for the council. Whilst working for the "new company" the ex-councils workforce will be on the same terms and conditions as they were with the council......for a period of time. take my word for that, I can say the same thing happened at Blackburn with Darwen, when CAPITA came along, all the workers that transferred over to CAPITA have now had their terms and conditions changed, so beware, tell your friends to read the small print, and ask the questions of their new employers. "Is there a clause in their contract, that will allow the new employer to change their terms and conditions at a later date.
Only trying to be helpful

i will inform them of what you suggest i couldnt quite make out what you were talking about the first time

update:

just rang my m8 and he says after 90 days his wages will go up but he will have to cover manchester as well as hyndburn

i sppopse like all jobs it depends how good your boss is as to how well you get paid