Fracking - fame at last for Lancashire

[yerself]

Was it cashman's dog or a Mr. Wilde that coined the phrase 'A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'?
Whichever it was I reckon it was due to meeting GEaston.

[susie123]

Originally Posted by GEaston

Marge - it's far from a guarantee that I'll make any money on the properties. Renovation cost is substantial (tens of thousands for each building) because like so many properties in the town the previous owner let them to go to ruin. Not quite a pigeon coop like say the Conservative Club but not far off.

Once renovated who knows if I'll find a tenant, or a buyer. Noone wants to buy into the town - that's why the prices are as they are, but even then they don't attract buyers. Those Warner St properties failed to get any bids at 50k the pair the month before the auction I bought them (one of your best streets apparently), and the Hope & Anchor remains unsold after years at auction.

If I make a profit on it you'll begrudge it. If I don't you'll doubtless welcome that. However, in reality you should not look to the council or government to renovate the towns buildings - they won't do it and can't afford it. What the town needs is private people to take them on, preferably using local labour (exclusively in my case) and you should hope that they make some money on it to encourage them to take on other parts of the town.

Sam hit the nail on the head, a point that merits discussion particularly around solutions.

Post 38 on this thread, Mrs P did ask you not to use that form of address...

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t-64446-3.html

As for you, of course you should be making a profit on the Warner street properties - that's what you're there for. It should not be up to council or government.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by susie123

Post 38 on this thread, Mrs P did ask you not to use that form of address...

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t-64446-3.html

As for you, of course you should be making a profit on the Warner street properties - that's what you're there for. It should not be up to council or government.

Mrs P, asked him politely, as that is her way, Meself i treat the pig ignorant wi pig ignorance.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by GEaston

Marge - it's far from a guarantee that I'll make any money on the properties. Renovation cost is substantial (tens of thousands for each building) because like so many properties in the town the previous owner let them to go to ruin. Not quite a pigeon coop like say the Conservative Club but not far off.

Once renovated who knows if I'll find a tenant, or a buyer. Noone wants to buy into the town - that's why the prices are as they are, but even then they don't attract buyers. Those Warner St properties failed to get any bids at 50k the pair the month before the auction I bought them (one of your best streets apparently), and the Hope & Anchor remains unsold after years at auction.

If I make a profit on it you'll begrudge it. If I don't you'll doubtless welcome that. However, in reality you should not look to the council or government to renovate the towns buildings - they won't do it and can't afford it. What the town needs is private people to take them on, preferably using local labour (exclusively in my case) and you should hope that they make some money on it to encourage them to take on other parts of the town.

Sam hit the nail on the head, a point that merits discussion particularly around solutions.

You must think that you are in with a chance of making a profit - or why would you be bothering to do renovations?
You are a businessman - someone who balances risk against the probability of making money.
And why do you think I would begrudge you any success?
Your success will mean that the town is getting a renovated building rather than one that is derelict and and eyesore.
I think you are measuring me by your standards - and that is a mistake.
I would never wish for you to fail in a venture that involves the town. I know that it takes private investors to invigorate the town.
I'm just trying to work out why you would be doing it if you really thought it was such a dump - and that a profit was unlikely.

Oh, and I'm not being picky, but please do not address me as Marge.
I have nothing in common with Stork.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Not in my history books we didn't, 1485 Battle of Bosworth field, Henry Tudor kicks butt of Richard III, final score Lancs 1 - Tykes 0.

From my history books DinG:

After Bosworth in 1486, he married Edward IV's daughter Elizabeth of York, thereby uniting the Yorkist and Lancastrian claims. This event is seen as marking the end of the War of Roses; although some Yorkists supported in 1487 an unsuccessful rebellion against Henry, led by Lambert Simnel. The War of Roses left little mark on the common English people but severely thinned the ranks of the English nobility.

Mr Tudor sold out and diluted the Lancastrian gene pool, ergo we lost

[Restless]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Oh, and I'm not being picky, but please do not address me as Marge.
I have nothing in common with Stork.

Last time I checked your surname wasn't Simpson

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

After Bosworth in 1486, he married Edward IV's daughter Elizabeth of York, thereby uniting the Yorkist and Lancastrian claims.

Right fine, I know that. Still not a defeat.

although some Yorkists supported in 1487 an unsuccessful rebellion against Henry, led by Lambert Simnel.

Whose arses he kicked, again, still not a defeat.


Mr Tudor sold out and diluted the Lancastrian gene pool, ergo we lost

Other way round D, diluting the "Yorkist" gene pool I'd say & the dominant family was that of Mr.Tudor, so, we won!

Don't you go bringing your Tykey supporting, traitorous tendencies on here you!

[SamF]

Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh it has got run down sam, but were yeh comparing it too? many places i visit n there is quite a few,are also run down, depends what area of a place yeh venture in, no easy answer but thats the way it is.

Im comparing it to the other towns Ive been around in the last 5 years - Levenshulme, Hadfield/Glossop/Stalybridge, Holmfirth.

Levenshulme is the closest to Accy in terms of being run down and if given the choice between living in either personally Id chose Accy due to family and friends but id recommend someone else to choose Levenshulme(Manchester Centre in 10 mins on the train, Muslim majority leading to strong community and low anti social behaviour - down side being lack of pubs!)

No doubt there are plenty of other places that are run down and in fact despite living in a very nice area of West Yorkshire my girlfriend and I are looking to move back to Lancashire simply due to family and friends.. we have not for one minute though considered moving back to Hyndburn after where we have been living... Towns like Ramsbottom seem to have cracked it with near-countryside locations and the right attitude - if you poured enough money in you could rebrand Accy as a Manchester commuter town in the counrry

[susie123]

Originally Posted by Restless

Last time I checked your surname wasn't Simpson

And no blue hair was apparent.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by SamF

Im comparing it to the other towns Ive been around in the last 5 years - Levenshulme, Hadfield/Glossop/Stalybridge, Holmfirth.

Levenshulme is the closest to Accy in terms of being run down and if given the choice between living in either personally Id chose Accy due to family and friends but id recommend someone else to choose Levenshulme(Manchester Centre in 10 mins on the train, Muslim majority leading to strong community and low anti social behaviour - down side being lack of pubs!)

No doubt there are plenty of other places that are run down and in fact despite living in a very nice area of West Yorkshire my girlfriend and I are looking to move back to Lancashire simply due to family and friends.. we have not for one minute though considered moving back to Hyndburn after where we have been living... Towns like Ramsbottom seem to have cracked it with near-countryside locations and the right attitude - if you poured enough money in you could rebrand Accy as a Manchester commuter town in the counrry

Try Gorton, or Moston me daughter lived in both places oer 10 yrs ago they made accy look like the West Bank of Paris

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Don't you go bringing your Tykey supporting, traitorous tendencies on here you!

Fraternising with the enemy, you being an ex-military man (I think?) mean? There's nowt wrong with that in the current day. It's not a hanging offence
I have to confess a preference to a goodly number of Yorkshire Ales over those available from the Red Rose shire.
Right I'm off down to the Forts for a couple of Kelham Island.

[SamF]

Levenshulme is walking distance to Gorton - used to do my big shop at Gorton Tesco :-) There's a decent market there. No doubt its rougher than Accy mind

[walkinman221]

Originally Posted by SamF

Im comparing it to the other towns Ive been around in the last 5 years - Levenshulme, Hadfield/Glossop/Stalybridge, Holmfirth.

Levenshulme is the closest to Accy in terms of being run down and if given the choice between living in either personally Id chose Accy due to family and friends but id recommend someone else to choose Levenshulme(Manchester Centre in 10 mins on the train, Muslim majority leading to strong community and low anti social behaviour - down side being lack of pubs!)

No doubt there are plenty of other places that are run down and in fact despite living in a very nice area of West Yorkshire my girlfriend and I are looking to move back to Lancashire simply due to family and friends.. we have not for one minute though considered moving back to Hyndburn after where we have been living... Towns like Ramsbottom seem to have cracked it with near-countryside locations and the right attitude - if you poured enough money in you could rebrand Accy as a Manchester commuter town in the counrry

HADFIELD they filmed League of Gentlemen there enough said

[cashman]

Originally Posted by SamF

Levenshulme is walking distance to Gorton - used to do my big shop at Gorton Tesco :-) There's a decent market there. No doubt its rougher than Accy mind

Yeh i know sam, daughter was goin into Manchester fer night out wi mates one friday evening approx 11 yrs ago, She stepped oer what she thought was a drunk in the doorway of a nearby pub (meeting mate to share taxi into town) she was in pub less than 10 mins when police arrived, Pub was shut down, no-one could leave, seems the drunk was not, twas a guy that had been shot dead. She never got to town fer her night out.

[walkinman221]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

From my history books DinG:

After Bosworth in 1486, he married Edward IV's daughter Elizabeth of York, thereby uniting the Yorkist and Lancastrian claims. This event is seen as marking the end of the War of Roses; although some Yorkists supported in 1487 an unsuccessful rebellion against Henry, led by Lambert Simnel. The War of Roses left little mark on the common English people but severely thinned the ranks of the English nobility.

Mr Tudor sold out and diluted the Lancastrian gene pool, ergo we lost

He married a yorkist so it was the lancastrians still GIVING it to the tykes , now sing up "All yorkshiremen ###g sheep all yorkshiremen ###g sheep