Free parking at Supermarkets to be scrapped

[Neil]

Originally Posted by entwisi

I too wouldn't agree and not for any selfish reasons. some people do need transport to shop however it would push a lot more to do online shopping which is much more environmentally friendly ( 1 van delivering 20 peoples in a 10 mile journey as opposed to 20 cars making a 4 mile round trip each. )

We have lost to much of our communities already, with everyone online shopping would we ever leave the home?
Going shopping is the only exercise some people get

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

'Mr Cameron gave his clear backing to the report in a speech.'

Now Tories want us to pay for parking at the supermarket| News | This is London

Yes the report said some good things over all. Nowhere does it say this particular aspect of it will become policy.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Neil

We have lost to much of our communities already, with everyone online shopping would we ever leave the home?
Going shopping is the only exercise some people get

Not that I agree with the proposals, but I would argue we have fostered quite a good online community.

[Less]

This is another piece of old news:-
Parking-space tax will raise cost of driving to the office by £350 a year - Times Online

I don't know if it was actually enforced but it seems just as bad a piece of policy as the one under discussion in this thread, so does this mean that both parties are as bad or as good as each other?

[jaysay]

Just shows how desperate the left have become to score points, if only they try telling the people who their candidates are at local elections

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

This is another piece of old news:-
Parking-space tax will raise cost of driving to the office by £350 a year - Times Online

I don't know if it was actually enforced but it seems just as bad a piece of policy as the one under discussion in this thread, so does this mean that both parties are as bad or as good as each other?

You beat me to it Less and I suppose that the congestion charges introduced by Red Ken was missed by Mancie must still have his rose tinted specs on

[garinda]

Originally Posted by entwisi

2 years ago he passed comment on it?

He didn't just pass comment on it, it's reported David Cameron gave a speech fully backing his little chum Goldsmith Jr.'s ideas.

[vera]

When did any of the Tories carry 6 or 7 6feet planks of wood on a bus? Stupid people.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

He didn't just pass comment on it, it's reported David Cameron gave a speech fully backing his little chum Goldsmith Jr.'s ideas.

It appears that when a Tory makes a speech its seen as party policy, lets see whats in the manifesto before you start foaming at the mouth, your getting as bad as Mancie, errrr well, maybe no not quite that bad

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by vera

When did any of the Tories carry 6 or 7 6feet planks of wood on a bus? Stupid people.

If anybody tried to carry 6ft planks of wood on a bus they'd need certifying anyway

[Neil]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Not that I agree with the proposals, but I would argue we have fostered quite a good online community.

Which could be another reason why some people never leave their home.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Neil

Which could be another reason why some people never leave their home.

Not quite 'never' but not often - have to have haircuts and toenails clipped

I go for short strolls in the fields and woods on fine days and sit in a lounge chair on the lawns, admiring the views of the moors, and watch the birds.

I find that urban areas are so polluted and noisy that this 'semi seclusion' gives a great feeling of calm and peace of mind.

This is opting out of the ratrace. I recommend it if you don't need to work to survive.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

Which could be another reason why some people never leave their home.

I don't need a reason, I ain't got an option

[katex]

Suspect this will never get off the ground due to it not being very popular .. summat will have to be done eventually and whatever scheme will prove unacceptable to the majority of motorists.

Asked me oracle, involved in transport, his views, answered as follows :

'It will generate some public and corporate opposition - it does seem
like a significant vote loser. However, it would be easy to implement
because it is supported (in general) by planning policy.

My view is that the larger 'out-of-town' supermarkets do have a role in
retail provision but they do so at the expense of the town centres that
we all aspire to be attached to - look at the aspirations for Accrington
'floral market town'. The town centre used to be the place to conduct
the 'linked trip' (ie. the trip where you would do a number of
different things - visit the post office, greengrocers, bank etc all in
one go) but access to the car, plus restrictions on accessing town
centres (car parking charges, congestion, pedestrianisation etc), have
meant that visiting Tesco, Sainsbury, Aldi, Waitrose is a more
convenient option. The consequence of this shift to retail shopping at
large-shed supermarkets is the closure of the previously vital town
centre shops. The issue is not just related to economic competition but
also to other environmental factors, of which, access to parking has
become a vital consideration.

From a purely fiscal perspective, the use of land for car parking is
terribly inefficient. The council make no money from free car parking.
Flat, surface car parking (opposed to multi-storey) represents a
terrible waste of potential development land. If a developer builds
flats, the council makes money through council tax. If the developer
builds business units, the council makes money through business rates.
If the developer builds car parking, the council (if it doesn't own the
car parking) actually incurs a net loss because they have to service
access to the car parking (access roads, drainage etc).

I guess people don't consider the wider impacts of their individual
behaviour. Introducing car parking charges at out-of-town supermarkets
is just one mechanism that can be employed to re-focus development
activity back into town centres. The alternative is we end up like
America - no town centres and just a maze of Walmarts connected by
five-lane highways and no footways.'

[Boeing Guy]

Is that the best you can do Mancie.......next I will be called a Tory scum, or similar, just shows what a decent person you really are.