fuel how the government can help

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Greg Pope

I'm also opposed to the proposed VED changes and I met with the Chancellor only last week to discuss both these issues.

I agree with you on that point.

I think re banding vehicles already on the road with not only devalue cars bought by people before the re banding but may also make it hard for the owners of certain cars to pay the new amounts.

I can fully understand and agree with a proposal to re band all vehicles first registered from say 2010. Retrospective changes are not right and not fair.

I would also agree to a maximum co2 output of vehicles as well. I believe this would force manufacturers to reduce the co2 output of vehicles. Just using road taxation will have no effect. If you can afford to buy a £40,000 4x4 you can afford to spend the £400 ish pounds on road tax. Even if it was £1000 for the highest band I still don't think it would have any effect on reducing the sale of top band vehicles.

Cap co2 emmissions at something like 200g or maybe limits for each vehicle type, as in small hatch, family sized and 4x4. This way you would remove the biggest poluters from the road.

That unless you don't want to upset the car manufacturers, don't want to reduce road tax, dont want to upset voters and are only pretending to be enviromentally friendly.

[emamum]

Originally Posted by accyman

what they could do is only collect tax on the first 84p per liter and for go the tax on the remaining difference between 84p and the current £1.30 which should bring as an estimated guess fuel back to under £1.00 per litre

Originally Posted by entwisi

that is a fine idea, what accyman typed didn't say that. in fact it didn't say anything

I may be wrong but the idea ive got from accymans post is that the govenment would 'cap' the tax at the rate it would be for 84p a litre. Which would bring the cost back down.

Makes sense to me.....

[Neil]

Originally Posted by emamum23

I may be wrong but the idea ive got from accymans post is that the govenment would 'cap' the tax at the rate it would be for 84p a litre. Which would bring the cost back down.

Makes sense to me.....

It does not make sense when you read Gregs post, he says fuel duty is not a percentage of purchase price but is already a fixed amount per litre.

[entwisi]

Originally Posted by Neil

I would also agree to a maximum co2 output of vehicles as well. I believe this would force manufacturers to reduce the co2 output of vehicles. Just using road taxation will have no effect. If you can afford to buy a £40,000 4x4 you can afford to spend the £400 ish pounds on road tax. Even if it was £1000 for the highest band I still don't think it would have any effect on reducing the sale of top band vehicles.

Cap co2 emmissions at something like 200g or maybe limits for each vehicle type, as in small hatch, family sized and 4x4. This way you would remove the biggest poluters from the road.

Which would be really good if CO2 emitted driving a car was anything near to a major polluter. over 80% of teh emissions of a car are from its manufacture and decomission. Actually encouraging people to keep their old cars would be a greener policy. Then there is the fact that even the total output of vehicles pales into insignificance when you count in things like bovine wind and industry itself. Even if teh whole of Europe didn't emit a single molecule of CO2 from now on, China alone would fill teh gap in less than 18 months.

Extra tax on vehicles is nothing to do with green issues whatsoever and teh goverment know it. The sooner they admit it the more respect people will have for them

[Neil]

Originally Posted by entwisi

Extra tax on vehicles is nothing to do with green issues whatsoever and teh goverment know it. The sooner they admit it the more respect people will have for them

I think I mentioned that, I was being subtle for once. Stop laughing, I can be when I want to be

[Soulee]

There was an email flying about suggesting a boycott of the main two petrol companies (Shell and Esso)

This in turn would make them reduce prices and the rest would follow

Not sure if it would work but something as got too happen soon, Fuel theft is on the increase and the thieves don't worry about the harm they cause.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Neil

It does not make sense when you read Gregs post, he says fuel duty is not a percentage of purchase price but is already a fixed amount per litre.

that sounds more like an excuse and not a reason no matter how the tax is worked out the govenment are still making a lot more of it out of us

the point is the government are making a hell of a lot more money in tax from fuel now so they shoud lower it and stop been so bloody greedy,theres no need for gordon brown to fly accross the world begging the oil companies to do somthing when all he has to do is give up some of this extra tax hes collecting

[accyman]

Originally Posted by derekgas

This says, 'for a smart guy, your pretty dumb'

i assure you its a sheer fluke

[derekgas]

You could have accyman, but then we would be moved to over 18's!

[jambutty]

You can argue all you like about high taxes but the real problem isn’t so much about taxes but how they are spent by a government still hanging onto Bush’s coat tails and pretending to be a world power.

This country is overloaded with Quangos pushing bits of paper around. Computer systems that cost billions that still do not work. Private Initiative schemes to build hospitals, schools, prisons etc where this country is committed to paying outrageous leasing fees for the next 30 years. £100 and more to fit a simple mains plug is money that has to come from patient care and into the pocket of a private company. Millions upon millions to the various railway companies that goes straight to the shareholders as dividends.

Millions up millions spent on supplying the police with vehicle number plate recognition equipment to catch tax and insurance dodgers when a simple extra tax on fuel would do that at a stroke for virtually no cost at all and release the police for proper duties.

I haven’t even mentioned the billions that two illegal wars are costing us not forgetting to mention the lives of our troops. We don’t need a nuclear deterrent – we couldn’t use it independently anyway. If it ever came to a nuclear exchange we would be vapourised long before we could launch one single missile. So what is the point?

If the UK were a company UK Ltd., the receivers would have been in years ago.

A company is bankrupt when its expenditure exceeds its income. UK Ltd is bankrupt by business standards.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by jambutty

You can argue all you like about high taxes but the real problem isn’t so much about taxes but how they are spent by a government still hanging onto Bush’s coat tails and pretending to be a world power.

This country is overloaded with Quangos pushing bits of paper around. Computer systems that cost billions that still do not work. Private Initiative schemes to build hospitals, schools, prisons etc where this country is committed to paying outrageous leasing fees for the next 30 years. £100 and more to fit a simple mains plug is money that has to come from patient care and into the pocket of a private company. Millions upon millions to the various railway companies that goes straight to the shareholders as dividends.

Millions up millions spent on supplying the police with vehicle number plate recognition equipment to catch tax and insurance dodgers when a simple extra tax on fuel would do that at a stroke for virtually no cost at all and release the police for proper duties.

I haven’t even mentioned the billions that two illegal wars are costing us not forgetting to mention the lives of our troops. We don’t need a nuclear deterrent – we couldn’t use it independently anyway. If it ever came to a nuclear exchange we would be vapourised long before we could launch one single missile. So what is the point?

If the UK were a company UK Ltd., the receivers would have been in years ago.

A company is bankrupt when its expenditure exceeds its income. UK Ltd is bankrupt by business standards.

Well,this could take some time to answer,but I'll do my best with my one good finger.
Paragraph 1 I agree with entirely,apart from It not just Bush.
2 I would like to remind you of the Flanders&Swan number, - The gas man cometh.I would copy and paste it for you - but not after last nights fiasco on my part.A latest directive from the E U is to abolish 26 of the 34 rules on the shape - size and curvature of cucumbers and bananas and other types of fruit and veg.That is the good news.Unfortunately the French farmers have objected. So the Quango jobs have been saved at least till all the farmers in Europe agree.Could take weeks.

No 3 Got to disagree on this one.Saves a lot of time and effort by tracking down illegal operations of all descriptions.Not only that but the practice of car crushing has now become an art and indeed offers of directorships have been sent to all Chief Constables in Britain.With the exception of N Ireland who are tied up in banking.
No 4-Not sure on this one.But must agree you haven't mentioned it all week till now,Still you have now and I'm not in a position to comment except to say that war should be a last resort.A little bit like Morecambe I suppose.

Go on then I'll do it for you.
Twas on the Monday morning the gas-man came to call
The gas tap wouldn't turn
I wasn't getting gas at all
He tore out all the skirting boards to try and find the main
And I had to call a carpenter to put them back again
Oh it all makes work for the working man to do.

Twas on the Tuesday morning the carpenter came round
He hammered and he chiselled and he said, "Look what I've found
Your joists are full of dry rot but I'll put them all to rights."
Then he nailed right through a cable and out went all the lights
Oh it all makes work for the working man to do.

Twas on a Wednesday morning the electrician came
He called me Mr. Sanderson which isn't quite me name
He couldn't reach the fuse box without standing on the bin
And he put his foot through a window so I called the glazier in
Oh it all makes work for the working man to do.

Twas on the Thursday morning the glazier came along
With his blowtorch and his putty and his merry glazier song
He put another pane in, it took no time at all
But I had to get a painter in to come and paint the wall
Oh it all makes work for the working man to do.

Twas on a Friday morning the painter made a start
With undercoats and overcoats, he painted every part
Every nook and every cranny but I found when he was gone
He'd painted over the gas tap and I couldn't turn it on
Oh it all makes work for the working man to do.

On Saturday and Sunday they do no work at all
So twas on the Monday morning that the gas-man came to call.

(copyright Flanders and Swan)

[jambutty]

Neat bit of one finger work

I was letting someone else chip in and mention the EU. I am told that the art of posting is not to hog the thread but give others a chance to add something.

Ah! Yes! The gas-man cometh. A classic bit of Old Tyme Music Hall. Thanks for the reminder.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Neat bit of one finger work

I was letting someone else chip in and mention the EU. I am told that the art of posting is not to hog the thread but give others a chance to add something.

Ah! Yes! The gas-man cometh. A classic bit of Old Tyme Music Hall. Thanks for the reminder.

Thanks for that J B,I do at all times try to be constructive,But the fact is that the energy providers have us by the thingys,you pay or you don't.But the day will come when we will rise up and find a way to dodge the meter.Failing that we will conform to the ways of the wind or even the tides that be.In any event you will be taxed.You will as always been kept under.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Gordon Brown has hinted today that the planned 2 pence per litre increase on fuel duty that was due to come into effect in October, may now be put on hold.
Does he really think that this will placate the electorate? He has stabbed us in the jugular and tries to appease us by giving us a band aid. Can't the man see that British business is haemorrhaging to death, and that a band aid isn't any use at all?