Full Council Meeting - 14th September

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by g jones

Many people played up our clashes suggesting a personal dislike. It's not how I saw it. Sounds like memoirs now but the truth is I want a socialist way of life and I could not achieve that with this Conservative Council or it's current leader. I had too much ambition to ever consider wasting a moment of my time on the life and circumstances of Peter Britcliffe. That would have slowed down/handicapped a progressive, socialist agenda.

The mind really does boggle Graham, I have not problems with your beliefs and political ethos, each to his own, live and let live, but now your an MP within a political set up (New Labour) which is far nearer to Conservative values than Socialism

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by g jones

a progressive, socialist agenda.

A progressive, socialist agenda, eh? I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you have a political-type discussion with your colleague, Ken, especially when he holds forth about there being too much political correctness in this country, how the authorities want to stop us celebrating St George's Day, the need to cut the foreign aid budget etc. Bet that goes down a bomb with you and your progressive, socialist comrades!

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I'd agree that things are currently being held back but in Hyndburn we have a controlling group who don't have overall control and so rather than allow democracy to take her own majestic course we have a ringleader who is himself jumping through hoops to get his own way.

Or looking at it from another angle - you have an opposition party that knows that they can block everything that the controlling group want to put through, simply because no one has an overall majority.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Gayle

Or looking at it from another angle - you have an opposition party that knows that they can block everything that the controlling group want to put through, simply because no one has an overall majority.

Technically we don't.

The balance is 17-17 if you want to lump the Independent councillors in with Labour, but we have no control over how they vote, however likely it may seem that they would support us.

He may lose the by-election in Baxenden, so what then? Postpone all full Council meetings until after 7th May 2011?

There was a Cabinet meeting today and the one thing that the public all said was that Cllr Britcliffe's way of conducting things was dictatorial.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Technically we don't.

The balance is 17-17 if you want to lump the Independent councillors in with Labour, but we have no control over how they vote, however likely it may seem that they would support us.

He may lose the by-election in Baxenden, so what then? Postpone all full Council meetings until after 7th May 2011?

There was a Cabinet meeting today and the one thing that the public all said was that Cllr Britcliffe way of conducting things was dictatorial.

Can't see the Tories losing Bash Ken, even in the fag end days of the last Tory government we still retained 2 councillors there, that's when Labour had a 41 seat majority

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

we still retained 2 councillors there

'We'?

Are the toys back in the pram, and the party membership card back in the drawer?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Can't see the Tories losing Bash Ken, even in the fag end days of the last Tory government we still retained 2 councillors there, that's when Labour had a 41 seat majority

i agree wi that, having lived up that way, am aware of all the "Jam Butty Millionaires"

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

'We'?

Are the toys back in the pram, and the party membership card back in the drawer?

Was talking in past tense G, like 1997. No nothings changed, did not retrieve said card from white sack

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Technically we don't.

The balance is 17-17 if you want to lump the Independent councillors in with Labour, but we have no control over how they vote, however likely it may seem that they would support us.

He may lose the by-election in Baxenden, so what then? Postpone all full Council meetings until after 7th May 2011?

There was a Cabinet meeting today and the one thing that the public all said was that Cllr Britcliffe's way of conducting things was dictatorial.

In order for all councillors to be able to vote there have to be meetings of Full Council, so Gayle's point about the opposition councillors being able to outvote the Tories becomes meaningless.

The only council meeting that will have to be held, before the May elections, will be the meeting on 1 March 2011 to set the budget for the 2011 to 2012 year. The council tax base is normally set at the December Council meeting but in one of the report to Cabinet today (Budget Cycle for 2011/12 - Outline Timetable including budget consultations) the date of this was set as either the 11th January Cabinet Meeting or the Council Meeting 7th December.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

i agree wi that, having lived up that way, am aware of all the "Jam Butty Millionaires"

Ah there's a few Bob up Bash cashy

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Technically we don't.

The balance is 17-17 if you want to lump the Independent councillors in with Labour, but we have no control over how they vote, however likely it may seem that they would support us.

He may lose the by-election in Baxenden, so what then? Postpone all full Council meetings until after 7th May 2011?

There was a Cabinet meeting today and the one thing that the public all said was that Cllr Britcliffe's way of conducting things was dictatorial.

Residents from Baxenden are down a vote though. How is that fair? Should a full council meeting not happen immediately after the by-election which should happen asap?

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Residents from Baxenden are down a vote though. How is that fair? Should a full council meeting not happen immediately after the by-election which should happen asap?

The by-election must be in October so why wait till December?

For a Conservative apologist with a Political Studies background you don't really seem to have a full grasp of how the system works in Hyndburn.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

The by-election must be in October so why wait till December?

For a Conservative apologist with a Political Studies background you don't really seem to have a full grasp of how the system works in Hyndburn.

I don't think it should be in December. Never said it should be. I said it should happen as soon as the by-election happens.

If you want to attempt to patronise without actually correcting anything I said, go ahead. I don't really want to join in your political tit-for-tat.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

It's not so much that we refuse to do so but it would be a very heavy-handed thing to do to the Chief Executive, especially when he does everything by the book. In my opinion he is the best man for that job and long may he stay in it, Hyndburn Borough Council is a more secure animal with him holding the reins.

On this occasion I just wanted clarification of the sequence of events and am satisfied that the civil service procedures have been conducted properly.

You just wanted clarification in the same way that I did , so why did I get the response shown in the quote which follows ?

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Read the thread, old boy.

Cancel tonight's meeting as a mark of respect, no one has a problem with that.

Refuse to rearrange a replacement until December, after the by-election and when the motions at tonight's meeting (most likely ending in defeat for the Conservatives) will be redundant?

Defend that.