funny how democracey works for some and not others

accyman · 12-06-2012, 15:10

the falklands are to be given a referendum on if they wish to remain under UK ownership

this is what william hague had to say

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UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said: "The British Government has been consistent in its view that the future of the Falklands can only be determined by the people who live there.
"So the Prime Minister and I support this initiative to demonstrate - without doubt - the definitive view of the Falkland Islands people

In a region that rightly prizes democracy and human rights, it is entirely appropriate that the Islanders can express this fundamental right. The principle of self-determination is a key part of the United Nations charter.

so then why do they get a referendum yet we dont on the EU ?

maybe its because they know damn well the flaklanders will vote to stay under the UK and they know damn well we would vote to get out the EU .Only get a choice if the expected result is what they want .

Wynonie Harris · 12-06-2012, 15:20

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Originally Posted by accyman

maybe its because they know damn well the flaklanders will vote to stay under the UK and they know damn well we would vote to get out the EU .Only get a choice if the expected result is what they want .

Nail - head - hit.

accyman · 12-06-2012, 16:42

although it is the flaklands government that are allowing the referendum im pretty sure it wouldnt slide if cameron thought the result would be different and the comments made by hague just show how they like to encourage democracey as long as its not here.How he has the gaul to say people have teh right to a referendum in a democracey then deny us one is just barefaced cheeck.It shouldnt even be a matter of voting if we should have one we should have a referendum period not just because a handfull of crooks say we may or not be allowed one.

cashman · 12-06-2012, 16:58

Seem to recall Gib getting one a few years ago, Same thing........They knew how it would fall,

jaysay · 12-06-2012, 17:58

Asking the Falkland to vote to be Argentinian is like asking Turkeys to vote for Christmas, they may be thousands of miles away but they know which side their breads buttered on

cashman · 12-06-2012, 18:34

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Asking the Falkland to vote to be Argentinian is like asking Turkeys to vote for Christmas, they may be thousands of miles away but they know which side their breads buttered on

Spot on, but to me the whole point of this thread,is the fact various British Governments were quite happy fer Gib to vote to remain british, The Falklands to vote to remain british, Yet the British Public "NOT" to vote to remain british n sod the eurozone, Democracy here can kiss my ass.

jaysay · 12-06-2012, 18:39

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Originally Posted by cashman

Spot on, but to me the whole point of this thread,is the fact various British Governments were quite happy fer Gib to vote to remain british, The Falklands to vote to remain british, Yet the British Public "NOT" to vote to remain british n sod the eurozone, Democracy here can kiss my ass.

Spot on cashy, it absolutely stinks, but Call Me Dave knows the outcome of both a referendum in the falklands and GB, he'll love one but not the other

Tealeaf · 12-06-2012, 19:01

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Asking the Falkland to vote to be Argentinian is like asking Turkeys to vote for Christmas, they may be thousands of miles away but they know which side their breads buttered on

I bet if the choice for the Falklanders was between joining the Argies or joining the EU they would vote to be be the next province of Argentina.

garinda · 13-06-2012, 07:24

I think the disdain politicans have for the people who elect them, was best summed up by this quote from Winston Churchill.

'The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.'

jaysay · 13-06-2012, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I bet if the choice for the Falklanders was between joining the Argies or joining the EU they would vote to be be the next province of Argentina.

I'm not too sure on the one Mr T don't think I'd like to be governed by the Argies, they cheat at football

Wynonie Harris · 13-06-2012, 09:03

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I'm not too sure on the one Mr T don't think I'd like to be governed by the Argies, they cheat at football

The EU cheats at everything. That's why their own auditors have refused to sign their accounts off for, how many years is it now?...15?

jaysay · 13-06-2012, 09:06

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

The EU cheats at everything. That's why their own auditors have refused to sign their accounts off for, how many years is it now?...15?

Wasn't aware they had auditors Wyn

Wynonie Harris · 13-06-2012, 09:17

Sorry, got it wrong, it's actually the 16th year...

EU accounts not signed off? for the 16th consecutive year Civitas

Margaret Pilkington · 13-06-2012, 11:46

Well, I was just about to post that when you put the link up........it is preposterous that another year has gone by and still the budgets are not right........is this not reason enough to withdraw from this great money swallowing, politically corrupt organisation?

Eric · 13-06-2012, 13:32

If folks over there are really concerned about membership in the EU ... and I have read somewhere that 95% don't give a flying you-know-what about it

... why not turn the next general election into a vote on EU membership? Let the candidates know that your vote will go only to a party that supports getting out of europe.

Just heard on the news that here in God's country, a grass roots movement has started to unite the left ... this isn't commie stuff: left seems to be defined as a desire to get rid of the tories. Even conservatives are joining. This would mean that in many ridings, Liberals, the NDP, and the Greens would support a single candidate against a tory incumbent. The tories are not listening to the people ... and this is the response that many seem to think will work. People are beginning to realize that the best way to effect change in Ottawa is to vote anyone-but-a-tory. This, like a referendum on EU membership, is a single-issue vote. But for Britain, membership in the EU ... think of being in the EU as having a cabin on Titanic ... is possibly the most important question of all. I don't know how you guys see it from the inside, but from this side of the pond, it looks like the EU as we know it is finished ... done. And I'm sure you are aware that many politicians ... particularly the Huns, go figure, eh

... are considering that a true political union is the only way out of the mess. Get ready for the Fourth Reich ... oh, and the earthquakes as the "millions of the mouthless dead" start spinning in their graves.