gay adoption - Page 18

steeljack · 02-02-2007, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

This was taken out of the same article as garinda posted earlier, regarding the repayment of £20,000 aprox needed to 'process' the applicants.
The answer is in the above statements, either abide by the law or get out of the 'ballpark'.

Now theres a thought , Politicians as the moral guardians of the nation

garinda · 02-02-2007, 02:12

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Now theres a thought , Politicians as the moral guardians of the nation

Mmmmmm

Wonder which I'd pick?

A democratically elected government, who can be voted out every four of five years, or an unelected head of State, and the church she is head of, as my moral guide?

steeljack · 02-02-2007, 02:27

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Originally Posted by garinda

Mmmmmm

Wonder which I'd pick?

A democratically elected government, who can be voted out every four of five years, or an unelected head of State, and the church she is head of, as my moral guide?

well.........its straying from the original theme of the thread .......but I think I would prefer to follow someone with no vested interests, I think most of the Popes in the past were fairly uncorruptable, one or two were a bit over the top ( the Borgias )and one or two of our Kings/Queens were a bit iffy but on the whole they haven't done a bad job, the present one , mothering skills aside hasn't done a bad job ( poor genes from the foriegn side of the family)

Ianto.W. · 02-02-2007, 02:45

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Originally Posted by steeljack

well.........its straying from the original theme of the thread .......but I think I would prefer to follow someone with no vested interests, I think most of the Popes in the past were fairly uncorruptable, one or two were a bit over the top ( the Borgias )and one or two of our Kings/Queens were a bit iffy but on the whole they haven't done a bad job, the present one , mothering skills aside hasn't done a bad job ( poor genes from the foriegn side of the family)

Fidel Castro has outlived quite a few popes in his time steeljack how about settling for him as a compromise

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steeljack · 02-02-2007, 02:49

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

Fidel Castro has outlived quite a few popes in his time steeljack how about settling for him as a compromise

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I've allways had a soft spot for Uncle Fidel

but dont tell Bullseyebarb , I actually gave her karma today , seems we have more in common than I thought

and she doesn't threaten me with violence

i've also had a soft spot for uncle Joe

Ianto.W. · 02-02-2007, 02:54

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Originally Posted by steeljack

I've allways had a soft spot for Uncle Fidel

but dont tell Bullseyebarb , I actually gave her karma today , seems we have more in common than I thought

and she doesn't threaten me with violence

i've also had a soft spot for uncle Joe

I noticed you gave our 'barb' some karma you sure are "having a nice day"

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steeljack · 02-02-2007, 03:00

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

I noticed you gave our 'barb' some karma you sure are "having a nice day"

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Well apart from the store being out of Bushmills

and having to switch to Jamesons

(fienian stuff) ..... which caused me to have a snippy fit and berate the burqa clad owners wife ( most liquor stores in California are muslim owned , strange contradiction i know )

WillowTheWhisp · 02-02-2007, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

This was taken out of the same article as garinda posted earlier, regarding the repayment of £20,000 aprox needed to 'process' the applicants.
The answer is in the above statements, either abide by the law or get out of the 'ballpark'.

Also from the same article:

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The Catholic Church's agencies are said to handle 4%, or about 200, of all adoptions a year. However they handle about a third of those children judged difficult to place.

Now why on earth should there be such an imbalance? Could it be that the secular agencies are not so keen to take on the difficult to place children with all the follow up necessary to support those families? I hope they will do so from now on and that those children don't end up spending their childhood entirely 'in care'.

WillowTheWhisp · 02-02-2007, 09:01

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Originally Posted by steeljack

well.........its straying from the original theme of the thread .......but I think I would prefer to follow someone with no vested interests, I think most of the Popes in the past were fairly uncorruptable, one or two were a bit over the top ( the Borgias )and one or two of our Kings/Queens were a bit iffy but on the whole they haven't done a bad job, the present one , mothering skills aside hasn't done a bad job ( poor genes from the foriegn side of the family)

Human beings, being human are all fallible but even though I'm not a Catholic I think I'd prefer to look towards a Pope for moral guidance than a President or Prime Minister. I don't accept that any Pope is infallible (which I think is Catholic doctrine) but I do believe they try to be.

Equally I would never try to force anyone else to agree or condemn anyone who chose not to, that would be taking away personal freedom which I believe is everyone's right. 'We all have the right to be wrong now and then' as the old Roger Miller song goes. I know I'm far from perfect but I keep trying. Some would say I'm very trying.

My view is that so long as other people aren't harming me and mine and we're not harming them we should all live and let live.

garinda · 02-02-2007, 09:27

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Human beings, being human are all fallible but even though I'm not a Catholic I think I'd prefer to look towards a Pope for moral guidance than a President or Prime Minister. I don't accept that any Pope is infallible (which I think is Catholic doctrine) but I do believe they try to be.

Equally I would never try to force anyone else to agree or condemn anyone who chose not to, that would be taking away personal freedom which I believe is everyone's right. 'We all have the right to be wrong now and then' as the old Roger Miller song goes. I know I'm far from perfect but I keep trying. Some would say I'm very trying.

My view is that so long as other people aren't harming me and mine and we're not harming them we should all live and let live.

Without appearing to be too anti-Catholic here, a Pope who carries on encouraging poor people in third world countries to have large families, thus keeping them in a poverty trap, and a Pope (John Paul II) who when under pressure, finally issued a Papal edict that condoms could be used to help prevent the spread of HIV, as long as they had a pin prick in the end?

Moral guidance my aunt Fanny.

WillowTheWhisp · 02-02-2007, 09:28

As I said, I don't believe that even Popes are infallible.

garinda · 02-02-2007, 09:31

...and don't forget that before he became the current Pope this is the man whose job it was to cover up the scandal of the priests who abused thousands of children, by moving them to other parishes, and thus allowing others to be abused, and who did everything in his power to keep it in the Church, and prevent the law of the different lands this abuse took place in, from becoming involved.

WillowTheWhisp · 02-02-2007, 19:37

That's something I certainly disapprove of.