gay adoption - Page 9

Gayle · 27-01-2007, 17:06

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

Beliefs or principles should NEVER justify discrimination

Surely that contradicts human rights.

And we're onto a very difficult area here because it is some people's belief that they can have sex with children - I personally would discrimate against them.

garinda · 27-01-2007, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Surely that contradicts human rights.

And we're onto a very difficult area here because it is some people's belief that they can have sex with children - I personally would discrimate against them.

Should the Klu Klux Klan's beliefs be respected in Law as well then?

After all, not doing so could infringe upon their human rights, or that of any far right organization's.

Gayle · 27-01-2007, 17:09

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Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps the next time I'm discriminated against by Muslim women, when asked to choreograph a fashion show, and told they can't work with me I'll be seeking legal advice as to whether I should sue.

I KNEW you weren't ok about that!

I'm sorry and the problem arose because I never for one minute thought that there would be a problem - I'm so naive I just thought I'd get the right person in for the right job! That's because I believe everyone should just get on and no one should be discriminated against!

When I was informed there was a bit of a problem I had to sort it out which I realise upset you but I was in a 'needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one' situation.

Gayle · 27-01-2007, 17:18

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Originally Posted by garinda

Should the Klu Klux Klan's beliefs be respected in Law as well then?

After all, not doing so could infringe upon their human rights, or that of any far right organization's.

There is a fine line between having a belief and being allowed to believe it all on your own and doing something that infringes upon someone elses human rights. The line here is that the Klu Klux Klan drum up racial hatred and that infringes on the human rights of the people that they are opposed to. So yes, they can hold the beliefs - I don't like it but they can hold them - but going out and burning effigies of people that they're against, then no, that should not be respected in law.

If you're going to preach total tolerance then it shouldn't be one way - you have to accept that other people may not like your lifestyle (and I'm talking generally here, not directly at you Garinda).

garinda · 27-01-2007, 17:23

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Originally Posted by Gayle

If you're going to preach total tolerance then it shouldn't be one way - you have to accept that other people may not like your lifestyle

That's so good, perhaps the BNP might use it on their leaflets at the next election.

Gayle · 27-01-2007, 17:47

I met a man from the BNP once - he was abhorrant and I hated his views, he annoyed and upset me and I told him so! I only took comfort in the fact that the majority do not share his views.

I think my overall point is that 'live and let live' - people should just get on.

Actually, thinking about it - the one good thing about the anti-discriminating laws with regards to b&bs, etc, means that when the BNP take control they will then have their work cut out trying to revoke those self same laws.

steeljack · 27-01-2007, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I met a man from the BNP once - he was abhorrant and I hated his views, he annoyed and upset me and I told him so! I only took comfort in the fact that the majority do not share his views.

I think my overall point is that 'live and let live' - people should just get on.

Actually, thinking about it - the one good thing about the anti-discriminating laws with regards to b&bs, etc, means that when the BNP take control they will then have their work cut out trying to revoke those self same laws.

Somehow I dont think the BNP will take much notice of a bunch of ululating harpies

they will be too busy fixing all the damage done over the last few years by the progresive left.

yerself · 27-01-2007, 18:26

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Originally Posted by slinky

everyone has the right to be a parent

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Originally Posted by chav1

"homosexuality is genetic you cant catch it"

If as chav1 says 'homosexuality is genetic' then slinky's statement is wrong. If nature, and not the individual, has chosen homosexuality nature has denied the individual the means of creating a child by natural means. Therefore, a homosexual does not have the right to be a parent.

Wynonie Harris · 27-01-2007, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Gayle

what I don't like is people being forced not to discriminate - it leads to less understanding and less tolerance.

So the logical conclusion of what you're saying is that B&Bs, pubs, restaurants, shops or any business should be free to put up signs saying "No blacks served here"? Must admit I'd wouldn't have expected that from you, Gayle.

Gayle · 27-01-2007, 19:20

Well you've got me there (eventually) Wynonie - I'd certainly never advocate that. I guess I'm saying that they are allowed to have those views, just not impose them on anyone else. I'm just nervous about laws that tell people how to not discriminate as it causes more frustration, anger and upset from the racists and homophobes.

Wynonie Harris · 27-01-2007, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I'm just nervous about laws that tell people how to not discriminate as it causes more frustration, anger and upset from the racists and homophobes.

Maybe, but don't you think it's the lesser of two evils? If you don't have the laws and people can refuse service, or accommmodation, or employment to people because of the colour of their skin or their sexual orientation, won't it cause even more resentment and anger? I must admit, I'm quite taken aback by the fact that you seem to want to repeal the race and gender discrimination laws. I'm sure there's plenty on here that do, but you're the last person I would have expected it from!

Gayle · 27-01-2007, 20:16

But for different reasons - I don't like to think they should be needed because I want to see a country where discrimination doesn't exist in the first place.

Wynonie Harris · 27-01-2007, 20:33

Come on, Gayle, we live in the real world and we know they ARE needed. I've no time for Ba Ba Black Sheep PC-derived garbage or positive discrimination, quota lists or all the rest of it. But I'm glad that anti-discrimination laws are in place because I would not like to think of myself walking into a pub and being told "We're not going to serve you because your wife's coloured." And if there were no such laws, that could happen!

Gayle · 27-01-2007, 20:47

But going back on thread for a second - gay adoption isn't discriminated against completely and there are many agencies that allow it, the catholic church is simply saying that it does not want to go against years of its teaching and that it suggests that gay couples go elsewhere.

The next thing that will happen is women wanting equal rights to be priests.

Wynonie Harris · 27-01-2007, 21:29

Same principle, ain't it? If you give an exemption over adoption laws to the Catholic church, you've opened a Pandora's Box and others will start asking for it - "I want an exemption to the discrimination laws, so I don't have to serve coloured people in my pub, because it goes against my racist beliefs that I've held for years. If they want a drink, they're quite free to go elsewhere."

Come on, Gayle! I'm supposed to be the hidebound reactionary and you're supposed to be the free-thinking liberal!