Getting More Than A bit Scary - Page 3

BERNADETTE · 01-06-2008, 23:31

Well as I said my grandson is no mard arse so for him to knock and ask for help the other kid has been saying he will use it.

blazey · 01-06-2008, 23:34

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

As a student of law..........what would be your take on this?

Well obviously it is wrong, but you can't stop kids carrying things like knives, I've carried a pen knife once when I was a girl guide, an obviously I wouldn't ever threaten someone with one but I would hate to make knives illegal completely...

I honestly don't believe I know anyone who carries a knife and or would use one maliciously, and I know some rough people who are my age. I think the media has exaggerated the situation, and it is possibly more detrimental to society to do this than for them to completely ignore it, but I am not in the right position to make such a judgment without any research on it.

If I studied crime then perhaps I would be more aware of the situation and give a better opinion, but unfortunately I study the law, and it doesn't often concern itself with the actual larger scale of things.

WillowTheWhisp · 01-06-2008, 23:36

How awful Bernie. Poor lad, no wonder he was scared. There have been far too many stabbings lately.

Punishing the parents isn't the answer. The parents need to be allowed to punish children. That's the problem.

cashman · 01-06-2008, 23:39

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Punishing the parents isn't the answer. The parents need to be allowed to punish children. That's the problem.

pity the bloody polititcians dont think the same.

Royboy39 · 01-06-2008, 23:43

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Originally Posted by blazey

If I studied crime then perhaps I would be more aware of the situation and give a better opinion, but unfortunately I study the law, and it doesn't often concern itself with the actual larger scale of things.

Why...............?

That bit

BERNADETTE · 01-06-2008, 23:43

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

How awful Bernie. Poor lad, no wonder he was scared. There have been far too many stabbings lately.

Punishing the parents isn't the answer. The parents need to be allowed to punish children. That's the problem.

You are quite right just hope they can reverse the trend but without losing face can't see it happening any time soon

blazey · 01-06-2008, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Why...............?

Which bit are you asking why to?

Royboy39 · 01-06-2008, 23:50

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Originally Posted by blazey

If I studied crime then perhaps I would be more aware of the situation and give a better opinion, but unfortunately I study the law, and it doesn't often concern itself with the actual larger scale of things.

That bit............is crime not the same as law?

blazey · 01-06-2008, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

That bit

Because most of it is made on a case by case basis, rather than statutes alone. Speaking of which, I have a pile of cases that is sky high that I have to read for my exam on wednesday, so I best log off for now

cashman · 01-06-2008, 23:54

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Originally Posted by blazey

Well obviously it is wrong, but you can't stop kids carrying things like knives, I've carried a pen knife once when I was a girl guide, an obviously I wouldn't ever threaten someone with one but I would hate to make knives illegal completely...

I honestly don't believe I know anyone who carries a knife and or would use one maliciously, and I know some rough people who are my age.

making knives illegal aint the issue i don't think. doubt if many know who or who would use one, but its too late when they do n it does happen n not just nowadays, got the t-shirt so know i am talking sense. but at least way back then, there was more of a deterant if ya carried one, theres a world of differance between a scout/guide knife n many that are carried now, but as young people like you think that letting minor offenders out after half their sentence is ok, then were going down a slippery slope.

BERNADETTE · 01-06-2008, 23:56

Find it quite frightening that crime and the law are not related, sometimes I think you post crap just for the reaction you will get. Think even us thickheads realise that each case has it's own merits but crime and law must basically go hand in hand

blazey · 01-06-2008, 23:58

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Originally Posted by cashman

making knives illegal aint the issue i don't think. doubt if many know who or who would use one, but its too late when they do n it does happen n not just nowadays, got the t-shirt so know i am talking sense. but at least way back then, there was more of a deterant if ya carried one, theres a world of differance between a scout/guide knife n many that are carried now, but as young people like you think that letting minor offenders out after half their sentence is ok, then were going down a slippery slope.

So many people reoffend after being imprisoned for minor crimes that I see no point in enforcing a failing measure. The answer is finding new forms of punishment which will make people stop and think, I just don't wish to be the person that suggests a different punishment, because it is the government who should be under scrutiny, not I.

blazey · 02-06-2008, 00:01

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Find it quite frightening that crime and the law are not related, sometimes I think you post crap just for the reaction you will get. Think even us thickheads realise that each case has it's own merits but crime and law must basically go hand in hand

I'm currently reading a case where it was decided that having an illegal weapon in a shop window with a price tag and description attached to it wasn't a crime simply because the words 'offer for sale' weren't properly defined in the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959.

I'm not calling you a thickhead Bernadette, I am studying the law and that is a fine example of what I am saying, whether you or any other citizen of this country like it or not. I'm not saying it is my ideal, it is merely what is put in front of me.

Now I must study!!!

cashman · 02-06-2008, 00:05

as most of the borstals/ detention centres/approved schools were closed, long ago, i reckon there is no real deterant for the young these days, those institutions were by no means perfect,but they did provide some deterant n did work to a degree, which to me is better than ****** all. i know many who have been in such places n approx 80-90% of those i know, never returned.

BERNADETTE · 02-06-2008, 00:14

It is illegal to carry an offensive weapon and where I come from a knife is as such, so if you or I or Tom, Dick or Harry get caught carrying one the law should come down on us big time.